Merkel: Multiculturalism has failed... Where does Germany go from here?

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    Merkel: Multiculturalism has failed...

    So... no more immigration for Germany?

    Do they really plan on making every immigrant to learn German?
     
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  2. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    It is a requirement of every country that you should know the language , history and national anthem if you want to become a citizen .
     
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  3. vitalbusiness

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    So, I guess they didn't require this before? When a young immigrant settles down somewhere in the EU and then brings in his elderly parents from his/her native country, what are the chances they will ever adapt to the culture or learn the language? Virtually zero.

    There's no solution to this, except if the immigration is stopped altogether. I think it is coming to that.
     
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    Hitler knew the immigrants were the source of Germany's problems. I'm a fan of integration.
     
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    Well, I wouldn't compare the current situation with what happened back 70 years ago. It takes a huge leap of faith to do so. The immigration can be good and usually contributes to the knowledge/cultural pool.

    But like I said, it is probably going to be stopped altogether for political-correctness reasons so that no one will be offended.
     
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    No Vitaly i was saying that Germany always required people to learn the language history and anthem in order for someone to become a citizen . The fact that some immigrants refuse to learn the language but demand jobs & equal rights just shows how useless they are to the German state . They're just gonna get the boot .

    I think Merkel was referring to that fact that because Germany has a significant Turkish minority some have suggested marriage between the two cultures (lolish idea imho) . OFC this has failed as a lot the immigrants didn't fit in the German super-ordered efficiency obsessed workaholic society . So in order to avoid a situation similar to France (remember the riots ?) Germany is gonna give the boot to any slackers . That will also calm down a lot of the nationalist groups in Germany and it will discourage neo-nazism groups from appearing (this type of groups are illegal in Germany) .

    @Obamanation Integration sometimes is not an option . If you look at France you can see that there are literally hundred of thousands of jobless immigrants , most of them from Algeria & Morocco .
     
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    I am not against a nation if they force u to learn their language to be legalized as a citizen, I would actually support it.
    Its not easy to learn a language all of a sudden but nothing in life is easy.
    Only once a person has good grip on language he/she should apply for citizenship.
     
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    "Multiculturalism" is a bad word to describe what has failed.
    "Multiculturalism" is a good thing: spanish, british, ukrainian, polish, german, italian cultures can co-exist at any-time, anywhere.
    by "Multiculturalism" people usually mean: invasion of the inferior islamic culture into the western one, and this kind of "Multiculturalism" is like: "gay-friendly catholicism". It was bound to fail from the beginning.
    The question now is how to clean the mess.
     
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    "Multiculturalism has failed" - I haven't had a chance to read what exactly she said but did she back up this claim of her with anything? What exactly happened?
     
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    "Multiculturalism" has failed because the immigrants are refusing to learn the language of the host country and refusing to integrate - that's the gist of what Merkel said.
     
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    That should not be an issue at all. If you are in Japan you have to learn Japanese in order to progess. Same goes to any other country.

    You missed the other part of the statement i.e. "adopt Christian values" ""We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don't accept them don't have a place here".
     
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    I like Merkel, but I found this portion of her quote a bit disturbing, not being familiar with the immigration issues in Germany. Perhaps I read it out of context:

    If that quote refers to legal resident aliens, I'd call it nationalist, bordering on racist. If it refers to illegal immigrants, I'd say its on target. If Germany has open borders, making all immigrants by definition "legal", I'd call that retarded.

    Yeah, the word integration seems to have more than one meaning. The recent US Census pretty much dispelled the myth of true racial "Integration" in America.

    Chicago
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    Los Angeles
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    Even with controlled immigration, where legal immigrants must learn the native language, everyone still groups up by ethnicity and national origin. Open up the flood gates destroys your culture and your economy. Before you know it, your unwillingness to have 8 children per family leaves you a minority in an impoverished nation with rule by socialism.
     
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    say if a guy wants to settle in India, now which language should he learn. hindi, tamil, bengali, assamese, punjabi, telegu what???

    ok hindi is the national languages, but ppl in the non-hindi region give a shit about hindi. ppl from the south can hardly speak hindi and even if they do, they wont speak it.
     
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    I kind of missed it on purpose because it's a stretch I can't even begin to understand how to grasp. I am a Christian, for instance, but my values are of no relevance to an atheist, let alone to a person of another religion.
     
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    I am totally amazed at how segregated the US still is. They used to blame the "evil" white race for all the woes, but they can't do this anymore, because this kind of segregation is self inflicted. Maybe this is how it should be. I don't know.
     
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    Self inflicted is right. Nobody is forcing these people to group up by ethnicity and nation of origin. The self inflicted segregation goes much further, with Irish grouping with Irish within the white community, Koreans with Koreans within the Asian community, and so on. Check out New York City:
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    in India, u don't have a double citizenship, he/she knows at least one Indian language to be called as an Indian, so don't try to make baseless quotes and a fresh citizenship is offered only he/she resides 5 yrs in India, he/she would learn at least basics of any of the languages to survive as English isn't a first language in any part of India
     
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    That's true... Sadly. France is in a pile of sh*t.
     
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    To be honest, I grew up in a 100% white middle class neighborhood. There was NO crime. The third world trash that permeates the US now is beyond disgusting.
     
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    So do you think the "Melting Pot" idea has failed?

    Now they are talking about how we are "one big rug knitted together by a thin thread". To me that kind of a rug can be easily torn apart. It used to be that Jews and Italians and Irish were shaping each other for the good of the whole community. What the hell is happening now? Who is to blame for the disgusting changes?
     
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