Can Turkey be a model for Islamic countries?

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    Do you think Turkey is a model Muslim state?
     
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  2. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    No, I would hardly consider Turkey as a valid model Muslim state. It is highly secularised, its government is influenced by the military and it denies basic Muslim rights in public institutions.

    - MENJ
     
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  3. DDAN

    DDAN Peon

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    #3
    menj Turkey is not secular state, it's anti-Islamic state.
    As the chairman said: "Ataturk was in fact an opponent of the practice of Islam — that's not a secular influence because secular principles allow all faiths a freedom of belief."

    There is big difference with secular state and anti-religion state. What do you think?
     
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  4. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    Both are the same to me.

    - MENJ
     
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    DDAN Peon

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    Don't you think there is difference between these two?
     
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    ravianz Notable Member

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    anti religion states declare themselves as secular
     
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    DDAN Peon

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    Secular state allows all faith a freedom of belief, but Turkey is not secular because Ataturk was an opponent of the practice of Islam.
     
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    turkey should be a model for islamic states,the women are treated equal,theres a acceptance for people of any culture and best of all theres no forced islam and forced islamic princibles (slaughter of apostates)
     
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  9. Rick_Michael

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    It's probably one of the few countries (around the middle east) that I see people on online forums. Not a bad place in my opinion...and good people...atleast from the ones I've met online.
     
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    marketjunction Well-Known Member

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    Turkey is officially a secular state.
     
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    Froggie Well-Known Member

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    you really dont know anyting about turkey at all, i think you should sideline yourself on this one
     
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    Froggie Well-Known Member

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    You havent been looking in the right places :)
    but yes Turkey is not a bad place to live if you know someone or lived there before, otherwise its only good to go there for 2 weeks and not longer.
     
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  13. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    Well I think you are glaringly/blissfully unaware of what is going on in Turkey. Thus you should refrain from commenting.

    - MENJ
     
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  14. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    The problem is that, when you look at any "Islamic country" -- everything is pretty much crap. It's like the 14th century, plus cell phones.

    Because of this, Turkey, for all it's flaws, looks "better" than most of it's competition.

    What about the UAE or Qatar? Both may be too small to serve as models.

    Hell, Lebanon was a model country before the Islamists took over and destroyed everything. Beiruit used to be one of the nicest cities in the Middle East.

    An unbiased measure to determine "model" Islamic countries might be to look at Per Capita Gross National Product, not counting oil revenue.
     
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    Turkey-- GDP $8,200 (2005 est.)

    Not really good, but atleast it's not just the oil industry. Jordan is not blessed with oil either, but I think it's almost better they don't have it. Once you have oil around there (or elsewhere) people start acting the fool.
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    Norway has lots of oil. When was the last time you saw a Norwegian terrorist? :D

    OMG, Walter Mondale just sprang to mind. That's an awful thought.
     
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    Some countries are better than others. I wasn't necessarily referring to terrorism, though.

    Mexico, Venezuela, and even Russia to some level are corrupted by their oil industries....or rather the other way around.

    Canada is probably one of the few big oil countries that is also sane.

    Who's walter....ahh never mind...
     
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    Yes, that's right.
     
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    Most people frown upon the influence the military has in turkey but it keeps the extremists in check. Ataturk was not against Islam. He was in favour of a secular state and believed mixing religion with politics would only undermine it.
     
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    #20
    No Synthesis
    im turk live turkey. Turkey a Synthesis Country Islamic-Cristian-Orthodox etc...
    I bleave islam but near neightbour cristian :D Turkey is internationel contry like usa .Turkey's very beathiful nature and very beathiful free life and very beathiful girlls and ver very very debt
    retry say without usa
    everybody recommend first see and next say
    thank u
     
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