United States Heading towards a Depression?

There are jobs, just not as many jobs as people looking for jobs. Why? Because American business can't expand to create the needed jobs. Why? Because government is strangling the free market.

Perhaps you will feel differently some day when you're not a spoiled little rich kid.

And when you get away from the part of the country where the government spends most of those taxpayer dollars.

"It would be thought a hard government that should tax its people one tenth part." -- Benjamin Franklin

Buying a Toyota is more "American" than buying a GM product, because Toyota represents American values and GM represents Soviet values.

 

Interesting. I've never heard this before. Care to elaborate on the soviet values GM represents?

 

@Obamanation: Whats wrong if some people have to change their health insurance if it means everyone can now get it at realistic and fair premiums?

 

I'd imagine the combination of union principles and the 60% ownership of GM by the Obamaimar Replubic vs. a vehicle that is made almost entirely in the US by US workers at 1/3 the cost in labor.

 

Because it's stealing and unconstitutional. The healthcare bill violates the 10th and 13th amendment. I simply can't understand anyone who thinks it's ok to violate the rights of some so that life is "fair" for others. Do we live in some poncy fairytale? That's not what America is about. I'd like to see your face when you see how the new health system is going to cause health insurance prices to rocket.

What's to stop big brother from taking $1,000 from those who worked hard to earn well, in installments, if it means that the poor will have a bit more money? Ridiculous.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/barber-calls-health-care-bill-slavery-11054359

Those who want more government deserve all the misery it brings.

 

Government Motors. Government owned, union operated, and too big to fail. Lets not worry about whether the products they produce were desired and cost competitive or their management knew what the hell they were doing. Like our health care, they don't need to be worth a sh*t to compete in the American market, never mind the international market.

Does it? Does it mean realistic and fair premiums? You read that Ivestors Business Daily article I posted, and the comments underneath, and you'll find premiums skyrocketing specifically because of the ObamaCare legislation. We had 39million uninsured (including 11 million illegal aliens) when the legislation was signed. That number is going up, not down, specifically because of the legislation. The bill did almost nothing to address the reasons our health care costs are skyrocketing in the US. It is a trojan horse, sold to the American people so we can all look at the evils of private medicine and make the obvious choice for the socialized system they really wanted to sell us.

The lies used to sell it are the least disgusting part about it, but in all fairness, if you were dumb enough to believe that sh*t, you deserve the leader you have.

 

[video=youtube;6iQ7ZDUutU4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iQ7ZDUutU4&feature=player_embedded[/video]

God I love this clip!

 

The actions taken by this administration and their pet congress are so obviously bad that I have trouble believing that they could be the result of simple incompetence. In just two years they have doubled unemployment and strangled American business into inaction.

Part of this, of course, is just the old Marxist hatred of the bourgeois and any free man who is not wholly dependent upon the government for his sustenance. When it was explained to Obama that raising the Capital Gains tax would reduce revenue, he was still in favor of raising it. Why? To punish people for "making too much money." Classic Marxist hatred at work.

But, I also cannot help but wonder if a larger game is not being played by the people who control little Barack Obama, the people like George Soros. I am haunted by the words of Aristotle, who wrote "It is also in the interests of a tyrant to keep his people poor, so that they may not be able to afford the cost of protecting themselves by arms and be so occupied with their daily tasks that they have no time for rebellion."

As Americans become poorer, they become easier for the government to control. This is the goal of statism -- the abolition of individual freedom and the imposition of strict heirarchical controls upon society.

 

It is a great clip! "A TEA TAX!!!"

Love it!

 

For the reactionaries who whine continuously about the economic recovery and the necessary remedies in curtailing their Great Recession this window on the economy is one more solid proof of the efficiency the Democratic Administration has employed in rectifying the economic meltdown. There is no Inflation if you do not understand the above.

As stated previously, it is the politicians responsible for the catastrophe that should pay the price not the hard working labourers of this country. Those who voted for Bush and the ensuing policies and now complain about the bailout of GM have only themselves to blame.
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Healthcare is Law, the liberals will have as much to say in the future about what was not included and the necessary improvements as will Republicans, who's immediate legacy is wholesale dysfunction equaled by their denial for legitimacy.

 

Did you know it is not law in those states who used their right to not accept whatever the DC people tried to shove down their throat ?

Make sure you repeat this phrase often Breeze Wood... "More Debt Does Not Equal Lesser Debt ...." If you need to, look in the mirror and repeat it until you understand. Get a CD and blast it into your Walkman... "More Debt Does Not Equal Lesser Debt ...."


I hope it helps you to gain a view of what regular people see.

 

I meant for those people who earlier couldn't afford it or those were charged unrealistic premiums because of pre-existing conditions/disorders being able to get insured at the cost of the well-off americans having to change insurance or pay a little extra. Do you really think its bad thing or are you just arguing because you are biased?
Sorry but you created this account in April 2008 even before he became president with a username we all know the hidden meaning of. Its obvious that you are biased.

Plain Lie. You should be ashamed. It wasn't to punish people for making too much but to make the tax rates fair. You see no problem with a billionaire paying 15% Vs his secretary paying 30% (or whatever)? What is it about him that makes you criticize him even going to the extent of lying and misquoting?

 

Is it so hard to see why is the US economy in deep shit ?

Here's a clue :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_current_account_balance

 

Helvetii, I think you are misinformed. It's the Billionaire that is paying more, not the other way around.

Look at it this way.

The Billionaire pays $millions in tax.
The secretary gets $6,000.00 more back than she paid in (assuming she's single and has dependents).

The reality is the tax system is not fair now, nor would it be with Obama's changes. Obama would seek to give more in the form of refunds to people who do not make as much. All the while forcing people who make more (but not billions more) to pay for them.

Keep in mind that the top earners in this country account for the majority of the tax revenue collected. Not because they are taxed more, but because the MAKE MORE.

The Top 10 Percent of Income Earners Paid 71 Percent of Federal Income Tax.

Think long and hard about that.

Personally I think everyone should pay the same flat percentage with NO deductions.
I'd also like to see tax returns eliminated.
Send me a bill for my tax.

The reality here Helvetii is that under the current system that Secretary actually gets about 130% of what she pays in back on average.

How else do you think Democrats keep people dependent and voting for them every year?

Let's not also forget that the billionaire is the reason the secretary has a job in the first place.

 

Hello Captain obvious. Of course I'm biased, just like anyone else with an opinion. Are you saying the fact that I'm biased hurts my credibility? If so, our President may be the least credible person on the planet.

Assuming this is ObamaCare's stated goal, and that the goal is desirable, why are health premiums skyrocketing in the US specifically because of the legislation(see the Investors Business Daily article I linked)? Rising premiums and people being forced to abandon their insurance is antithetical to this goal, which means either the legislation is not meeting its stated goal and needs to be repealed, or the the stated goal is not the actual goal of the legislation. I refuse to believe Obama is so dumb that he could pass a bill that does exactly the opposite of what it claims to do, which leaves me believing that this bill is doing EXACTLY what he intended.

When you consider that the US taxpayers already pay more per capita on health care than most countries with socialized health care, it would seem reducing costs would be a more pressing discussion to have. What we need is an honest politician to tell it like it is. Those greedy and highly paid US Doctors, Medical Malpractice attorneys, Drug Companies, DME Companies, and Insurance companies are all going to have to cut their incomes by more than 50%, and the only way to make that happen is to have the government take the business over and tell them what they can make. We need to get Doctors salaries down to a point where repayment of the ~$120,000 of student debt they have when they enter the field at age thirty will not be possible to repay until age 52 or so. We need to open up our borders to skilled Indian and Asian doctors (this is already happening) who spent a tiny fraction of that amount on their education and put those American doctors and schools out of business.

Health care is a right, just like education and US citizenship for foreigners. If the government needs to step in and take over those businesses to protect our rights, so be it. It is the American way.

[Edit]As an either funny, or sad footnote, I actually do go abroad for my family's planned health care. I get a UCLA trained physician at a private hospital with state of the art equipment in Central America for less than 25% of what the cost would be in the US. Read into that what you will.

 

The next bubble to *pop*, I've been told, will be a failure of the commercial property market.

 

Firstly why does a secretary have to be a "she"? And the example wasn't to be taken literally, what I meant was that while people making a few hundred thousands are taxed at over 35%, people making billions pay only 15%. Thats not fair.

Its the same everywhere in the world. Top earners pay most of the tax. And its fair since they make the maximum use of societies resources to earn that kind of income, they should pay more.

Exactly my feelings, I have repeatedly said that healthcare is not the field for profit whores (anywhere in the world), these people need to be controlled and regulated to make it affordable for everyone even if it means total socialization. I'm sure you'll agree with me again that its a good thing

 

Because "he" wouldn't look good on my lap taking dictation.

Very true. Arianna Huffington, creator of the Huffington post, pays practically nothing in Federal and State income taxes.

John Kerry, the big loser from 2004 and millionaire many times over, pays around 12% on his and his wife's income. George W. Bush pays around 25%, better, but still below what most poor and working stiffs pay.

No, they should pay the same on a percentage basis. Its a hell of a lot more, on a dollar basis, but as the percentages would be the same, it is fair.

Absolutely! In fact, education is the next right I see everyone talking about. I spent some time watching the CSPAN coverage of the liberal event held at the Lincoln memorial in response to the Tea party event the month prior. It was mostly humorous, because there was practically nobody there for most of the day, but what really caught my attention were the speakers. To make the crowd seem bigger, the SEIU(yeh, hosted by the Federal workers service union) invited anyone willing to attend including the Communist party USA.

In a nutshell, person after person would get up on stage complaining about their debt after graduating from college. $30k here, $100k there. Each in turn would get up on stage and say, "Education is a RIGHT!" It seems clear that these poor people have been handicapped by their debt and expensive education! Education should be free, so that all of our people can be free from poverty! The US government should take over the Ivy League universities and force the professors to reduce their salaries. Furthermore, the newly lowered tuition costs should be used to expand the campus, making it an all inclusive location, rather than a place where people are excluded for things like poor grades and poor attendance. What right do these institutions have to keep the good people of America poor! Education is a RIGHT Mother F'r!

 

The rates I pay to provide health insurance to my U.S. employees doubled. We had to switch to another provider and a lesser plan. I now pay a lot more and my employees get a lot less. Thanks Obama!

I had a colonoscopy at a free market hospital in Singapore this morning -- at a price about a third of what it would cost in the U.S.

U.S. healthcare is expensive largely due to government intervention into private matters.

That's as close to a certainty as anything gets when a nation is governed by the roll of a die. Commercial property just takes longer to fall than residential property. Last time I was in the Denver, there were lots of boarded up retail shops downtown.

More importantly, it's not accurate.

Somehow I doubt that slave laborers will provide high quality healthcare.

Here's your new doctor, being rewarded for all those years he invested in medical school.

 

First, sorry to spoil your second consecutive morning. And now, No, Education is NOT a right. There's no end to education. Only BASIC education is right. Generally upto highschool is considered basic, which I guess the government provides free for those who can't afford it. And Anyways comparing expensive university education to expensive healthcare (where people suffer in pain, die, become disabled, families suffer because someone wants to make a profit) is like saying "My dog should get a driving license if he can drive".

Sure, there's no way it could be because of overpaid professionals, over priced equipment and drug companies

There should be no government intervention, how dare FDA regulate which drugs can be sold? The huge costs related to getting FDA approved are such a waste. Companies should be able to sell whatever they want at whatever price, let the buyer decide.

Check the links posted by Obamanation

Seeing how much doctors make, even reducing their pays by 50% wouldn't make them slaves. And I always find funny how you guys assume that any doc who didn't graduate from UC by paying 100,000$ has to be a sham who know nothing about medicine.

Majority of doctors in US are Indians and they are just as good as US educated doctors, education is only a small part, its the practice and practical experience that makes a good professional.