Who is the scammer? post your vote, plz

wow, guyz i have read your reviews, I know why are you posting in his favor.

@RonBrown: You are disagreed, But i am disagree with you too, you posted non-sense to be honest, You said "when someone pays you to create something from scratch then the buyer should automatically own everything that they are paying for", So you mean to say that if people who are paying to make website but not from scratch, so he doesn't have rights, only people who are paying for making website from scratch own all the rights including (Making Illegal Copies). Useless. Also, didn't you read we were working for makelogo, and not of other domains, he never told me for that, and we had no such agreement.

@momi: You also though wrong about me, I am again saying i am not the scammer, and if i was a scammer, i wouldn't waste my 3-4 months with this totally cheater guy, Didn't you notice what i said, It seems that people are just posting their opinions without even read my detailed answer.

@xtazi35 (Anirban Datta Gupta): Man you tried your best to prove me scammer, Many of posters might be those posters, you told me that they are talking to you on yahoo IM. So you convinced them easily to post. But keep in mind, Honesty always win over any trick or any propaganda, Pakistan is the one of the best IT Service providing companies, and i have never scammed any one including you, You cant prove me Scammer, I dont care if some people come here and post negative posts for me, just because they are my competitor or your friend or what ever, But honest people will always post positively about me. You told me that you will destroy my online image, and thats what you are doing, I dont care what ever you do, I trust and believe in my honesty. here you are also doing war between pakistani and indian, because you told me on chat, Pakistanis and Indians cant be friends, I can show proofs of your chat. Same as you saved convos, I have all convos, Even i have a chat convo when i told you that we will give you encrypted code so illegal copies cant be made, and in answer you said OK ... But i was going to give you all the codes open, but you cant make illegal copies only, and thats the domain locking.

Users are simply posting without even reading my detailed answer which is the real case, They are convinced by you on IM, But i dont need to convince any one, I am good enough to face it.

Guyz, if you think that Anirban Datta Gupta owns rights on source code, then why dont you notice that i said, we were giving him all the codes, Just he cant make illegal copies. He is the big cheater, and now he is trying to destroy my online image on DP, i am not new here, i have been using DP since 2007, And i never scammed any one, i am not greedy of money, I dont need to scam people because i am sincere to my business and i am honest. Well, i know some of you wont believe me, the reason i have said above.

I think i dont need to say any thing else.

Thanks

 

sorry, mistakenly, posted double! read my above post.
Thanks

 

lol unlike you i don't have any of the guys who posted here on my IM.

Only your people saying your are not scammer because you have asked them to say. Especially only one person. And so many people are voting for me. And to be honest none of them are my friends or they are in my IMs or I have asked them to write for me.

That is how sick you think i can be. Thats how scammer's brain work. You are a sick mental scammer. Even if the whole Digital point forum participates in this scam case of yours they will all reply for me and vote against you and would say you are scammer. And even then you will think i have all digital forum in my IMs and i have asked them to write here for me against you.

And yes if pakistanis like you keep cheating on people, not only Indian but no other country's people will want to become friends with pakistanis. That is why i said its people like you who makes a bad impression on the whole pakistan country on internet.

You dont know how to do business or how to do freelance project. SCAMMER!

And its just not me..... The whole world will say you are the scammer and you tried to trick me to get more money out of me saying i need to pay $2000 extra for open source file of the project i gave u as a freelancer. Go make some other people fool with your dirty tricks like that not to me. And you are not at all HONEST(not even 1percent honest). So it would be best if you STOP talking about HONESTY and ALMIGHTY GOD. because Allah hates scammers and cheaters!

And as usual no scammer or cheater will say he/she is a scammer/cheater even after they are caught/prooved. And so i don't expect you to admit it also. You can go on crying and convince yourself but the world knows it now who is the real scammer.

Thanks to each and everyone who put forward their opinion. Really appreciate that you took your time off your busy schedule for this dispute and posted here.

 

wow man, you gave me a huge lose + now you are trying to prove me as a scammer, No Sensible Person will call me Scammer! I can show that chat log where you said that you are talking to other dp guyz and they are saying in your favor, So there is no proof that posters of this thread are neutral, If any one think i am a scammer, I will show him my projects, I never scammed. Even i can show a recommendation letter given by a USA Police Officer who is the client i worked for. Man you will do every thing you can, to prove me Scammer, and i dont care if you call me scammer because i have proofs that i am not a scammer ... any one can see the project, scammer doesn't waste time on making projects, I have been scammed by some people like you, I regret why i took your project, and why i wasted my time and efforts. You are simply a cheater, So stop blaming me, You are the biggest cheater i have ever dealt with .. CHEATER!!!

Go and learn about difference between freelancer and companies. Freelancers are professional developers, and when companies hire them, they become their employees, but every service provider has their rules he/she has to follow. so stop discussing non-sense.

Also i dont need to beg any one to give posts in my favor like you, People who work with me, they know me very well ... I am an honest person and thats why i have been serving people since last 4 years without any problem ... I dont value those people who dont think neutrally ...

you can simply thank them on yahoo IM where you have been talking to them You tried alot, you did really hardwork, to destroy my reputation, but as i said, honesty wins over any thing, you failed to prove me scammer, you cancelled the project at final stage, it was 95-97% done, but what ever i had, i have uploaded online, people can see, i dont think i need to explain again and again, that scammers never waste their time on projects, they dont do hardwork to make projects, but they do hardwork to prove other person as scammer just like you are trying to prove me as scammer, but all the facts are obvious, You are simply wasting your time on making me down, stop convincing people, and invest your time and efforts on your project with your current programmer, you told me on chat you will destroy my online image and thats why you are trying to do, but you cant do that because you are not only my client, My serious clients are happy with me, and they hire me whenever they need .. Your useless talking wont break their trust, because their trust is built with my honesty and hardwork Best Of Luck!

 

You broke DP rule, we had no thread for this project where i applied for job, You gave me rating illegally, I request mods, take an action against your illegal act.
You are failed to prove me as scammer, so now you tried to destroy my iTrader ratings, but Believe me, my clients trust isn't built by rating or your words or your non-sense false thread, Their trust is built with my honesty, my efforts, my sincerity and my work ... You are now breaking DP rules. I request again mods, Please take action against this user, He is only trying to destroy my reputation here, just because i refused to allow him to make duplicate illegal copies of the project, He gave me a lose of 1700$, I didn't scam him, i have even given him a website i had done, 2-3 small things were left and there were about to finished, but at the main time, he cancelled the project. I am not lier, i have told every thing here. Please take an action against him.
Remove his rating from my iTrader page, that is done illegally, you may check, We had no project thread where i applied for job ... Also if possible, please delete this non-sense thread.
Thanks

 

@Adnan: I am not saying you are a scammer. But, I do not agree with the domain locking term that you are imposing. I myself has taken a few projects to make websites for others, but I didn't come across such terms. I have always given a complete website script to my clients without any domain restrictions. I believe that all such stuff become the buyer's property as soon as I receive the payment from him. He can use it on as many sites as he can and I myself make it's differentiated clones and sell it to other clients.

I do not believe it is fair for the seller to restrict the use of scripts by the buyer in any means if they buyer has hired him exclusively for such project. Because the seller can also make its copies and sell to others. So, why restrict the buyer?? This is only fair in case of already made scripts for which the seller sells licenses like that for vbulletin etc.

In this case the buyer didn't ask you for a license but, a full script/website.

@xtazi35: I think you are overdoing it. He didn't scam you. But, the only wrong thing that I think he is doing is imposing a domain locking term.

Now, why both of you are quarreling like children?? Is there any real benefit of all such stuff?? Why don't you talk with each other to solve this dispute??? I think both of you should compromise in some manner to solve it. It is better to involve an unbiased third-party??

Wel, I am willing to be one....... It's up to you now. Act like professionals, otherwise none of you may get anything and yelling on each other won't have any benefit.

 

I have full right to give itrader since it states:

I have all the proof that i paid you for a project. and I didn't get what i paid for. I cancelled the project when i sensed your tricks to take out more money from me out of no where.

@momi - Thanks man, i am just replying him so that he sees the truth and admits that he did it in a wrong way. I would love to have you as an unbiased negotiator and sort this matter. But i am sure he won't accept it. And i know this because i had a chat with him earlier regarding this issue for more than 5- 6 hours and he was still stubborn to stick with his own theory. I tried helping him in many ways like offering $500 more for locked code. But he is against it. And i will not pay $3000 for such encrypted script. It would be unfair deal then.

By the way , he said he will never do the deal without domain lock code and stated that's his final words. And i also was sticking to my statement. This has happened almost 10 days ago. So now i also am talking with another programmer. So i am not sure if i can do deal with him again. But i will have to ask this programmer first.

 

Why are you doing encrypted encrypted ? He is giving you full source code and just the exception is domain locking. If he is not accepting him give him an offer like $2500 for the script with locked domain if you want, you need to compromise if you don't want to lose your money. I don't think either side is scammer but some misunderstandings from both side. When I do hire a developer to make a script I tell him my ideas that I will sell script and all and here you didnt tell him well its a confusing matter in whole.

 

Well, really?? Strange!!

However, for Both of you here is it what I want to say. Please read it carefully Adnan.

If a person(Buyer) wants to get a website script made which he intend to put on his domain which is something.com. Then he hires a seller to make this project from scratch and decided to pay him lets say $3000 for it then he should be given a complete script without any restrictions.

You can only put restrictions on such scripts that you intend to sell to multiple buyers. Let's take cPanel as an example. I think its license costs $150 to $200. But, do you guys really think that such a script can be made with in this amount?? But, to make a profit and cover its cost, they sell its license to multiple buyers and put restrictions on it. I think no one can pay $xxxx for such a license for cpanel.

I don't think $3000 is a small amount and you should think in a sensible manner.

 

He is going to give me encrypted actionscript. I think once you encrypt actionscript it is impossible to edit the source code except for changing colors and font styles of the flash app. And ofcourse i didn't build up this code for selling but the guy already have it in his mind that i will sell it. I didn't tell him about selling the script cos it never came in my mind to start selling it once he finishes making the website/script. If i had that thinking of selling the site i would have said it before the start of the project also.

 

Well he never said here that he is giving encrypted action script but he shouldn't do so or he shud use some other script to lock domain.

 

as i said, I was not going to give encrypted source code, every thing he needed to make changes or extend functionality would be given, But i couldn't let him make illegal duplicate copies to resell, and thats why i am trying to explain here, He gave me negative iTrader, in my all experience this is only my negative iTrader, I could rate him, but i have to ask DP if i can rate him because we had no such thread for this project, and this is a violation of rule. Also i have proofs myself, I didn't scam him, and no one should call me scammer, because i didn't scam him nor cheat, This is his own fault why he didn't told me that before, i wouldn't make his website without resolving this issue first. In my all experience, always clients ask me for rights, he never asked. i saw some of you are favoring him, But if you would be at my side, You wouldn't give him rights to make illegal copies, I wasn't restricting him for any use, but i never wanted him to make illegal copies of project.

I dont know why are you not understanding even i am explaining it in detail, I have said all the things which was truth, look at my iTrader page, see what rating he gave me, This kind of people always create hate between nations, After working with him, believe me i would be very careful to work with indians, because of him .

He has done more then enough to destroy my reputation, but definitely, i believe, he wont be success in his business, He is blaming on me which really doesn't make sense if you guyz think neutrally. How can we allow him to make illegal copies in just single license cost, This is very simple and easy to understand. There is nothing special, he is simply trying to make me down here ... I had given him website which is 97% done, there is nothing major left in the website, If i gave him website which is already almost done, how can any one call me scammer? Well, i had forgotten that nightmare, but he started it for me again, And now he is trying to destroy my online image, Think if i was a scammer, what was the benefit to spent 4 months, pay my flash developer for application, and other expenses?

Me and People who know me here, know that i am not a scammer or cheater, in my all experience i never cheated. i will stop answering here if people fails to understand this case neutrally, His words are nothing for my clients, as i said because their trust is built with my honesty and my hardwork, i dont cheat, i am not a cheater, and By God, i never intended to cheat any one, I am Halal(earn by workhard) Earner, i dont earn Haram(free) Money

Thanks

 

Adnan,

You can end this right now, by completing the work, and turning the work over to the buyer.
If this was his work, and you are just the coder, then you do not have the right to encrypt
his work, and take it hostage, then tell him what he can and cannot do with his work.
The buyer paid you good money, then it seems you turn around and take
advantage of the buyer for more money.

You could have ended this well, but I guess your not going too.

This would have played out much differently if this money was escrowed to begin with,
then there would have been no temptations for greed, otherwise the project would
have just been cancelled, and both of you would have just moved on.

I assure you, if I hire a coder to do a project for me, it is my project, and
I have full rights to do whatever I wish with my code.

 

@dscurlock: I cant bear when some one call me scammer, i am not a scammer, i am very honest programmer, i dont even intend to cheat any one, you can see, I have only 1 negative rating which is given by him, well, in my all experience as i said, clients have been asking me for their rights, and i took care of them, I had no personal problem with this guy, but he is also bringing his personal problem with me, as i am pakistani, and he is indian, I have been working for indian guyz, and i know pakistani and indian companies have long term business relations, they dont have problems, then why he said in chat that pakistani and indian cant be a friend. and he abused pakistanis in this thread as you can see. Well tell me honestly can you call me scammer even i have shown every thing here and shared all the case.

Well, ok. This was the nightmare for me because in my 4 year experience, i never scammed or even i never intended to do so. But ok, if he agrees to remove my negative rating, and tell the admin to close and delete this thread, I will give him full open source without even domain locking, But really this is not fair what he has done with me, and very honestly, i will never like to work for him again because he insulted me too much .. I am waiting for him, if he wants i will give him source code, but he must take negative rating back. and get this thread deleted and closed.

He has been calling me scammer, it means he doesn't know the mean of Scammer and Scammers dont care about their ratings. If i was a scammer i wouldn't work for him ... I am not a scammer.
i am waiting for him, so we can resolve this issue.
if he refuse to do that, even i am going to give him all to codes without domain locking, then it makes it more obvious that he is simply doing what he told me on chat that he will destroy my online image, and i wont be responsible for the project if he refuse this deal and i hope that every one on this thread will understand the case very well, i am waiting for his reply but no response so far. lets see what he says. if he disagrees, then he has no right to insult me here, what he has done already so much. But i hope, he will resolve this issue and agree with me. hoping for best!
Thanks

 

The project was to be finished on 28th Sept.but due to our long discussion on this topic you were supposed to show me the demo on 29th. On 28th night at the end of long long discussion you at one point decided to give me the open source file. And on 29th afternoon i remember clearly, you again said me and "confirmed" that you won't be able to give me the source code at any cost and project was cancelled.

on 29th you sent me email:

on 2nd Oct when I still asked about the script (if you already sold it to anyone) you replied:

On 5th Oct I asked you again i would give you $200 if you will complete the website which was 97 percent complete only and you replied me with:

In my previous reply on this thread and also in my gtalk msg to Adnan a week ago (approx) i already told i have now contacted another programmer to finish the project and now i can't back out from there coz if i did so , then i will be the bad person and to be honest this time i don't want any trouble since i already lost so much money and already paid this guy for the job to be finished.

The main aim of the thread was to bring into your notice that you played it dirty with me. And you should know how online freelancing is done. Its not done by changing rules whenever you like. Sorry i cannot go back and resolve and neither i can delete the itrader. Because, i hired you for a project and you couldn't complete it. My experience was bad with you and so my itrader to you is a negative to reflect that. Also i have hired another freelancer already after you cancelled the project and showed no interest to resolve the matter (i said this a week ago on gtalk), if i cancel that project now then i will be losing there as well.

I actually asked you enough times to resolve this matter but you never showed any interest. And now its out of question to cancel another freelance project.

 

I was tired of repeating same things again and again on chat thats why i said i dont want to waste time on useless chat. This is clear in my chat messages you shown right.
Ok now, As you said you opened this thread to bring the things into my knowledge, Then how did you give me iTrader .. I dont care what ever you say on this thread, but how can i stand it if you give me negative iTrader, You gave me negative iTrader this is also a dirty thing you did, You got a website, and website is not done for free of cost, it also worth $. you had no right to do that, Now you are refusing to take your project, and if you didnt like to do that, then why did you open this thread? why have you been insulting me here ? Answer me, You are simply doing what you said on chat that you will destroy my online image. How can i leave you now? Tell me, i will do whatever i can to protect my business, You are simply saying that you dont need project anymore, then why did you create all these troubles for me? Do you think i will leave you here? ... I want DP guyz to understand you now, and realize the pain i am feeling, just because i am honest person, and its very painful for honest programmers.

Now, when you have done all the propaganda against me, You are refusing to take your project. guyz, he gave me a lost of 1700$, and wasted my 4 months, but he cant even tell his current programmer about it, who is working for just last 7-8 working days. is it still difficult to understand this case ?

How could i resolve it before, My flash dev didn't agree to give me source code to give him, After explaining all this situation to him, he agreed to give me source code without domain locking, and now He is refusing to accept. i dont care about thread, but really i care too much about rating, because i dont want to hurt my reputation, my clients are valuable to me, i am not greedy of money, and thats why i dont want them to see this negative iTrader.

guyz you can see how much he tried to make me down, even i agreed to give him all the codes without domain locking, to resolve this issue, he is not interested ...

the project was cancelled, but this cheater guy never told me that he has opened a thread here, and going to give me negative iTrader. i never expected such things to be honest, and i didn't gave him website for free, that also worth of $ .. that day he wasted arround 5 hours on chatting, and thats why i was unable to sort and upload all the things. when i saw this thread, and negative rating for me, I had to resolve this, and thats why i agreed to give him codes without domain locking, i talked to my flash dev partner, he agreed to give codes. but now he refused. If i was a cheater / liar / scammer, tell me honestly, would i tell all this here ? I have said every thing clearly, i didn't hide any thing from you guyz. but unfortunately some of you are still in his favor, i dont know why, but yes some of you might be convinced by him on Yahoo IM. i am not newbie here, i have worked with several clients, i understand these things very well. But really, I never lied anywhere here.

 

Do you think i would sit just like that begging for you everyday to give me the project. I asked you enough times to make a deal either with open source or locked domain source but that time you turned into deaf. So i moved on and hired another guy. Were you expecting me to wait for your yes???? You said no to me many times and not just one day but many days even though i asked repeatedly.

And now when everybody is saying that you were wrong the way you handled the project then suddenly you want to resolve this issue and save your company name ?? And before this thread you were very stubborn in your decision of not giving me open source code.

You didn't think about it even for once when i asked you to negotiate because you thought i will silently let the whole issue pass by since you threatened me that you will get lawyersl and take action legally. You thought i would be too scared to bring this whole issue in public.

Now you are acting as if you are so good .. which is NOT soooooo true.

 

@xtazi35, Its enough, you have done what you could against me, Thats my honesty that i am still here and answering every thing, If i was a scammer, i wouldn't waste my precious time here to explain people the case and make them understand that i am honest, i wouldn't care what other think about me, i wouldn't care whatever rating you give me, But see how honest i am, that i have written every thing here truely, i didn't hide any thing, users can realize now. See you tried to destroy my reputation, But i hope and i pray, My clients wont take your rating serious, i will build their trust with honesty and hardwork .. you did all this because i didn't take any step against you, you thought that you can do any thing against me and i cant do any thing .. but you are wrong, I will run similar project AT MY OWN!! ...

Guyz i am very depressed that you misunderstood me, and you didn't understand what i have been explaining here, I am really sad about this, I have been here for last 4 year, i never even intended to cheat any one. All the facts are shared here, if any of you have doubts, read the whole case carefully ... I have nothing much to say here ..

But i promise! I will take the best revenge ... Not by cheating / scamming .. But i will run similar project at my own and compete with him. But i am really sad!! i never expected these things... i fear my new clients may hesitate to hire me if they see my ratings, But i hope if they have sense, they will be happy to hire me..

I hope and i pray, this guy will get an excellent project from other.....

so Best of luck

bye guyz!

Thanks for every one

 

Well stealing my idea and then competing against me with a similar site is the very first sign that you lost and you will never be better than me.

Now what else is left in you.. will i have to call you a thief also ?

Damn, that's a shame man. You are degrading yourself more and more.

Is this what you call your "honesty" ???????

You are the first freelancer i have come across who is so pathetic!

 

Face it, he paid you to write the code, the code should be supplied. Why should you care what he does with the code or what domain he uses it on when he has it? He paid for your coding time and the product of that time and effort should be given to him. Attempting to extort him for additional money for something he has already paid for is the action of a scammer.

Wise up.

As for your doubts about whether these posts against you are from neutral people, of course they are. I don't know either of you and I wouldn't knowingly do business with either of you. Can't be more neutral than that.

P.S. You are still a scammer.