Who is the scammer? post your vote, plz

Hi,

Almost 3 and half months ago i contacted a guy from DP (username: AdnanAhsan) to make me a clone of a website with some more added features added to the clone site. Seeing his reputation and feedback from this website I finally decided to give him the project for USD 3000.

The project has a huge action script flash work. That time he and till now he has no working knowledge of ActionScript flash. So he told me that one of his friend can do it and he made it sure to me that it will take like 45-60 working days.

I paid him USD 1000 to start up the project. The project started up and then he started showing the projects progress every 2 weeks (approx). The project went well beyond 90 working days. I was still cool with it knowing that it is going to be finished soon.

According to the deal i was to pay him $1000 more when work was to be finished 60 percent. But the delay was so much that he said it is ok if i pay him $500. So i only paid him $300 (since i have $300 credit card limit) but after paying him within a couple of days his programmer went to 5 day holiday for Eid and project got more delayed. I was pissed off so we agreed on paying the rest of the money on project completion.

Now he used to give me deadlines after deadline but failed to meet deadline. I was very patient although my websites launch was way beyond i expected. Anyways, the day finally arrived when he almost finished the site.

Just a day before the completion of the site, he says the flash application will be locked by them to my domain name. And suddenly he started claiming that he need to protect his script. And I must pay him $2000 more for resell rights to get the fully open source file.

We never ever had any talk about resell rights or what he claims to be commercial use license. And he states that its clients responsibility to talk about resell rights.

I told him I paid $1300 so far and i can only pay $500 more for locked code. I also agreed to pay the fees. He just gave me the website template and admin area (that is also not fully completed).

He is threatening that if i write about his story here he will sue me and all B.S. .. lol

Anyways, i cancelled the the project the moment i learned about him tricking me to get more money out of me by the excuse of saying i might make copies of my clone website and sell it to other people.

I will never ever trust any Pakistani. People like him give the nation a bad name.

what you think? i have done right ?

 

Well, if he didn't provide the service, I would contact your card company and dispute the charges.

 

He gave me half the project. Only the html website and no flash /action script which includes in the full project. Can i still ask for money back for the last sum of money i gave him ? that is $300 since $1000 was already paid 120 days ago.

 

Its shameful that people like him pull down the name of the country most of the developers in the country usually get rejected on Free lancing sites. Happened up with me in some vBulletin task though I feel sorry for you.

EDIT : Plus he can't sue you there is no Law for Internet stuff here so don't worry!

 

The minute he started talking about "protecting his script" is the minute he turned into a scammer.

If you were paying him to create a website for you any work done is your property - not his!

 

Every morning i wake up , i curse him to death. Really. Those are my hard earned money which i lost and he still argues with me that i am the scammer. How sick of him. I can't even start this project with some one else also since most of my money is wasted on this big scammer Adnan Ahsan.

He has done some little project with other guys who gave him positive feedback but not as big as this $3000 project.

Should i give him negative feedback on DP ?

 

Fill a credit card chargeback, add a negative iTrader and forget about him.

 

Hello guyz,

I am the AdnanAhsan, the guy is trying to prove me as a scammer .
the project can be found at http://projects.adntech.net/makelogo/

I will give all the answers here, because i am not a scammer / cheater or whatever he is trying to prove me, Please dont give negative feedbacks about me, because none of you know about that case .. Please listen to me same as listening to him ..

I am writing this post in emergency to prevent other users to give one side opinions. i will tell every thing here .

if i was a scammer or cheater, i wouldn't spent 3-4 months with him, i wouldn't come here to answer here ..

I will share all the things here soon .. i hope users are sensible and specially IT Service Providers will understand me easily ..

i will answer soon, so please wait for me before giving any negative opinion for me.

Thanks
Adnan

 

Wherever I click, I get 404 .. Is it supposed to be like that ?

 

One more thing, The website isn't only xhtml/css ... You can see, its done with PHP and MYSQL as well. the project was finished 95%-97% when he cancelled the project ..
Some links like static pages and some other, may not work because they had to be linked correctly ..
When he cancelled, we stopped work. I will answer in detail for sure .. Please have a patience to listen to me as well, because i will bring all the facts here ...
Users can also check flash app, which is done .. Download section was left to do and some stylings etc .. All the main things were done ..
Every one is free to check it out ...

@alldaylinks: sir, please wait, i will answer here.



wait for my detailed answer please.
Thanks

 

You should never do a large project unless you place the funds in escrow..it is just silly to do otherwise.
most credit cards allow up to 90 days to file a dispute. If he has not completed the project then
attempt to dispute what your credit card will allow, then move on. If you are going to do a large
project like this, then you should always use some coder site such as rent-a-coder...you just can
not trust anyone these days, and unsecure money is just an incentive to ask for more and run.
he obviously seen you are going to use the script to make money, or sell the script, so he
decided to charge you more so he could cash in, that is exactly what people do...

 

@dscurlock: Please let me answer, then share your opinions.
I didnt cheat this guy, Please let me complete as well.
We had no such agreement in which this guy asked me to give him rights so he can make copies, He hired me to do project for makelogo.net, and not for other domains, in fact he never shown such intentions, I know some of you might be convinced by this guy to post a negative opinion, But i am not a newbie, i have been serving people for last 4 years, many of DP guyz know about me .. I m not a scammer! I will answer in detail in an hour or so.

Thanks

 

So .. where is the problem and why are you insisting on the fact that the client should have no rights over what he has paid for ?
If someone hires you ( NOT buys something from you ), everything, as a result of such agreement, belongs to the employer ( buyer ).

 

Hello guyz,

I am AdnanAhsan, I had a contract with this guy for the project www.makelogo.net, He hired me to make a website like www.logomaker.com for his domain www.logomaker.net, This is an extensive project, In my overall experience, Clients have been asking me for rights to resell, but we had no such agreement for this project, so we began the project because our intention was to build a logo designing application for www.makelogo.net .. Ok , These kind of apps take some time for research and solutions of various issues like pixels and other, we had agreed that the payment will be paid in 3 installment, 1000$ Upfront to begin the project, 1000$ when the project is 60% done, and 1000$ on completion of project ..
He paid me 1000$ in 3 installments, I was charged multiple time for fees ..
After around 2.5 or 3 months, I requested him to pay me atleast 500$ as we had already crossed the payment terms we were agreed on, i tried to explain him that we also got to eat, and we also have liabilities, Then he paid me 300$, That time we had no issue of resell rights, because it’s a normal case as I said above we were building an application for www.makelogo.net ..
I told him that we will give you source code you can change / add features to your application without any problem, But you just cant make illegal copies, because you never asked me for resell rights. The only domain will be locked, every thing else will be open to you, you can do anything with your app, We gave him rights to do anything, When it comes to give rights, ofcourse source code will be given, But it doesn’t mean that the client can make illegal copies as much as he want, and then resell them. This was enough to give him open source, as he asked me, he should be able to extend app functionalities, and I was agreed to give him source code for that purpose, but How can I give him without domain locking, This is a common thing, users shouldn’t have any doubt with this rule, because the project were made for www.makelogo.net .. He said he doesn’t need the lock code, I said the code isn’t locked, the only domain is locked in it, so it can’t be use illegally, I told him he is free to do any thing with it, But just cant make illegal copies, So if he was not intending to do that illegal action, then why he was asking me not to lock domain . The reason is obvious .
I never scammed any one, I don’t keep free money too. And I am here to stay in the market. Believe me I could start the similar thread before him, because he cheated me, gave me a lose of 1700$, he should tell me first if he was in need of resell rights, but he never told me. I asked me for 2000$, because when client asks for resell rights, Provider always think whether to give resell rights within the quote, or to increase the quote, and it’s a right of him.
But I am not like him, I didn’t open a thread, I wasn’t intending to disclose his project idea, I told him if he wants he can open a thread, and let me know when he opens, he said he will let me know when I open, Believe me, he never told me about this thread, + on 5th Oct he came to me and asked me if I can integrate his website with his new flash application for 200$, I refused him and told him that he given me a huge lose, and I don’t want to do any business with him now. Just few hours ago, someone asked me that am I the user who scammed someone, believe me, I was shocked, because I never scammed, I am not here to scam people.
If I was a scammer, I wouldn’t never pay my flash guy to develop an application for this project, I could save that money, I wouldn’t spend 3-4 months with him, i could block him on IM as well. But believe me I did none of these things, I didn’t see him online for last 2 days.
I am not a greedy of money, But i have liabilities, I had to cover project development expenses as well .
The guy told me before that he will destroy my online image, And that’s what he is trying to do, But I believe on my honesty, and my sincerity to my business, If you are none of those who are convinced by him on IM, then you can judge easily, And if you are one of those people who are being convinced by him, then I am expecting post in his favor. I hope if you are sensible, you will understand.
Feel free to ask me any question you might have.
I am not a scammer / cheater, this person cheated me instead, and now trying to destroy my reputation, But I hope, he wont be successful here because i know honesty won’t let me down. So I am honest to everyone.
People in same field, if they are not honest, they will always discourage their competitor, So please before trusting any other, Please think neutrally. I hope you will get your answer.
Also, he can proved me as a scammer or fraud in the credit card company, they can’t be convinced by him because they are not programming service provider so they have no competition with other programmers.
See my reviews and judge yourself, and notice that code was not encrypted, it was open source but was locked to his domain. I was even ready to give him 4 months free support for minor changes.
This was the real case!
Thanks
Adnan

 

Adnan isn't a scammer. he's done 4 figure projects for me in the past, and I'm happy with the service he offers. He also sorts out any technical issues I have at his own expence no extra charges at all. I said to this guy I want the rights to the script before the project if your a push over and didn't even of adding such basic protection on a project then your the fool here I'm affaird. Adnan owns every script he creates as he creates them regardless if you paid for a copy you don't own jack unless he's sold you the rights which should be an legal written agreement.

 

I completely disagree. Putting payment terms, non-payments, and other things aside, when someone pays you to create something from scratch then the buyer should automatically own everything that they are paying for. That's a given in business. If he was planning just to licence the software to him then there should have been a licensing agreement up front. The developer may want to retain certain rights to re-use some of the script but that is not the same as refusing the provide the source scripts in the first place and then asking for additional money for that code - the code that the client was paying for.

 

Well, I am myself a Pakistani and I have also been scammed by Indians, Malaysians and UK people a few times. But, I still give project, buy and sell stuff to people from these countries. You have no right to blame and doubt the character of all Pakistanis.

I bet there will also be scammers within your own area and may be with or near you. So, I think you should stop trusting your own country men also........and ultimately the whole world because scammers are in every country...!

 

We never had a talk about handing out encrypted script before the project started. Freelancers don't give encrypted script and protect them. That is an excuse.

I also said that scammer that for encrypted code i can pay 1800 in total rather than $3000 and he didn't agree. The half of the website he has given me which he says has php, mysql and all is not even a complete website. That is only 90 percent website.

Clients never ask for resell rights. Well if any clients ask for resell rights then i must say he is a smart client. It is the job of companies to ask that. If i have missed asking about resell right you should have mentioned about it. I am sure that time you were not sleeping since you were all the time asking me to send you the money. And by the way , i gave you the job as a freelancer from dp thread. I don't care if you start opening your own company when my project was halfway.

So in my every opinion you a scammer because you didn't clear out your facts in the beginning of the project and only mentioned it at the end of the project so that you can trick me to give you extra $2000 for open source. What a lame excuse.

I didn't ask you for a solution.. i asked to make you a script at the start of the project. So i am the owner of the project and i have the rights to get the open source file as well. If you don't know how is internet freelancing is done , don't do it in future.

 

I think this is right....xtazi35 is the owner of the project and he can do everything with it...!

 

It probably SHOULD be a given, but unfortunately it's not.