Suggestion Why THIS SCAMMER is NOT BANNED YET !

Discussion in 'Support & Feedback' started by Mr Perfect, Oct 6, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. #1
    Digitalpoint only ban people when some one broke their forum rules ???
    What when some scammer mentally and financially damages others ? Why he is not BANNED

    Recently Gripen DID scam with me of $250 and now NOT reply any of my email. I am even not able to leave a negative itrader for HIM... huh!

    and he already has received 3 negative itraders for scamming others...

    Please Shawn n MODS... do something regarding this!
     
    Mr Perfect, Oct 6, 2010 IP
  2. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

    Messages:
    38,334
    Likes Received:
    2,613
    Best Answers:
    462
    Trophy Points:
    710
    Digital Goods:
    29
    #2
    1. How would we even know what happened when we weren't a party? Did you think we magically know everything in the world?

    2. Why would you do business with ANYONE without using an escrow service? Would you also leave cash on your doorstep for someone coming to deliver you something when you weren't home?

    3. Contact the payment processor, they should be able to help you if you sent him money (again, we have no idea if you did since we don't know everything... but your payment processor should know and be able to help you).
     
    digitalpoint, Oct 6, 2010 IP
  3. Mr Perfect

    Mr Perfect Peon

    Messages:
    562
    Likes Received:
    7
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #3
    1- There should be some payment system for scripts and services too as we have in domains section!

    2- ESCROW Services ? from now for sure !!!!

    3- I have started the transaction dispute already, as usual, SCAMMER is not replying !!

    Thanks for banning him and here is a suggestion, why dont you start services like escrow, you are rich !
     
    Mr Perfect, Oct 6, 2010 IP
  4. Grimm

    Grimm Peon

    Messages:
    3,072
    Likes Received:
    57
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #4
    Quite fascinating.

    Why would you even deal with someone WHO already has 3 outstanding negative iTraders for scamming other members? lol.

    Lessons learned as always.
     
    Grimm, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  5. Mr Perfect

    Mr Perfect Peon

    Messages:
    562
    Likes Received:
    7
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #5
    Those negative itraders were given to him after my transactions.
     
    Mr Perfect, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  6. LincolnAve

    LincolnAve Peon

    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #6
    My response...
    1.DP is a party to each transaction, since DP earns money by being a facilitator to the transaction. They are more than a publisher, since they have control of communication via the parties to help facilitate the transaction. Lets face it DP is not here for philanthropic reasons.

    2. I didn't use escrow, because of the small amount of the transaction. You seem to miss the point here, we are having this discussion because I/we were robbed. This is NOT about what I/we did wrong. It is about DPs lack of interest in stop theft from occurring on DP. Isn't that of concern to DP? When DP HAS an admission of guilt, enough facts to act on.

    3. My payment processor won't help, since they don't have proof of the guy admitting that he stole from me, unlike DP that has his admission.

    Wondering why....

    Even when DP has an admission of theft, they will not do anything about it.

    When I pointed out to a mod, they do nothing. Not even respond.

    The mods would rather give out infractions to the innocent people (like me) for alerting others about the scammers operations. In the scammers new threads (harassment).

    My opinion...

    It is my opinion that the rules have set up a "culture that breads theft", this lessons the value of DP and the IM community. To sit back and not take action when presented with an admission of guilt is to condone such activity.

    I wonder, if allowing thefts to continue is illegal? Any thoughts?
     
    LincolnAve, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  7. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

    Messages:
    13,740
    Likes Received:
    1,702
    Best Answers:
    78
    Trophy Points:
    510
    #7
    DP does not take on the role of loco parentis.
     
    Smyrl, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  8. satguy

    satguy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    780
    Likes Received:
    12
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    130
    #8
    If someone was to come on here, and act as Middle man for all the deals/transactions that take place here (I’m sure it’s a huge amount as this is a huge forum) and take small cut/fee , I’m sure he would earn a monthly wage also he might cut out all the gripping that goes on when deals go sour.

    If someone wants to buy a script “say” and finds a seller on DP,, The buyer sends his cash to the middle man and the seller sends the script. For his part (to earn his fee) the middle man makes sure the money is there and also makes sure the script is what it says it is.. When all three are happy the deal is struck, and cash goes one way and goods go the other .. ..

    Just a thought,, .. It might be a way to make a really great board even better..

    ( waits for slap )..
     
    satguy, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  9. mcfox

    mcfox Wind Maker

    Messages:
    7,526
    Likes Received:
    716
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    360
    #9
    Completely untrue.
     
    mcfox, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  10. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

    Messages:
    6,095
    Likes Received:
    103
    Best Answers:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    240
    #10
    Those who think that DP staff is here to act as kindergarten police should think again . DP offers you a free market . What you pay for is what you get .
     
    ApocalypseXL, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  11. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

    Messages:
    38,334
    Likes Received:
    2,613
    Best Answers:
    462
    Trophy Points:
    710
    Digital Goods:
    29
    #11
    We don't access people's private communications (moderators couldn't even if they wanted to). Nor are we a party to the transaction. We don't see any communication regarding it, we don't make any money from it, etc.

    What exactly did you want us to do? Since we aren't a party to the transaction, did you just want us to give you whatever money you paid to someone out of our own pocket because you failed to protect yourself?

    So send them the proof?

    And I would argue not using an escrow service condones such activity on your part. We *always* tell people to use an escrow service. The only pinned blog post is about just that:

    http://blogs.digitalpoint.com/entry.php?b=89

    It's like the old saying... you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink (you can tell someone how to protect themselves, but you can't make them do it).
     
    digitalpoint, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  12. LincolnAve

    LincolnAve Peon

    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #12
    Smyrl, No they don't, DP takes on the role of Transaction Facilitator (among other roles) in order to make money. That's why DP has rules against, ads for spamming, ads for VCC, ETC. Just no rule against stealing.

    Very odd, how a mod isn't applaud that no action has been/should be taken against the thief. Clearly the culture at DP is different than the offline world.

    satguy, Good idea, I think the new instant purchase function will make this not possible. But, I still think it is a good idea.

    McFox, Since you have given no basis for your opinion, I accept it as that.


    I imagine that I will be banned for speaking up, but realize one thing. I'm merely pointing out the stealing occurs on DP and at least one thief admitted to it (on DP). Just the fact that DP continues to dismiss it's role in this crime, lessens the value of DP.

    I don't think that is the reason (to diminish the value of DP) people are associated with this forum, that is the real reason I'm not sure why we are arguing.

    Can some one tell me why DP doesn't want to stop an admitted thief from committing more crimes on DP? Just answer that for me would you?
     
    LincolnAve, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  13. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

    Messages:
    38,334
    Likes Received:
    2,613
    Best Answers:
    462
    Trophy Points:
    710
    Digital Goods:
    29
    #13
    There doesn't need a be a rule for not stealing. That's like saying we need a rule for people to not kill other users.

    If someone had any sort of interest in protecting themselves against theft, they would do it by using an escrow service. Maybe someday we will offer protection services, but we don't currently. If we did ever do that, the user would need to pay for it before the transaction happened (basically like insurance). But since the user isn't willing to pay for an escrow service, why would you expect them to pay for theft insurance?

    I'm not sure who told you that we are getting paid for sales happening here, but they were mistaken. Anything we could offer as a protection service in the future is already something that people can get now (an insurance policy, escrow services, etc.)

    Contacting your payment processor is the best route... since they are the only ones that could get your money back. We have no way to refund anyone's money since we had nothing to do with the transaction (hell, we don't even know if a transaction actually happened).
     
    digitalpoint, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  14. cablebox

    cablebox Member

    Messages:
    392
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    45
    #14
    This is of course not the moderator's fault or anything related to DP. I am sure if a person has alot of negative itrader and no positive, people would get suspicious. You learned your lesson and be happy that you where not scammed a few thousand! Don't play the blame game!
     
    cablebox, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  15. LincolnAve

    LincolnAve Peon

    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #15
    Hey DP,

    Thanks for your response.Seems we were responding at the same time.

    I see that we are talking about two different things. You want to blame me for not protecting myself, and I'm talking about trying to stop a thief(s) from using your forums to commit crimes.



    My payment processor said, since Digital Point is owner of admission it becomes "hearsay" when they look at. Only DP knows who sent it and hence Dp is the only one that can substantiate the statements.

    I fully understand why nothing is done when a thief publicly admits to stealing on DP, Dp thinks it is the the victims fault.

    DP doesn't think that it should ban an admitted thief.

    I would love to have this discussion with you after a thief stole you car.

    Thanks fro your time.
     
    LincolnAve, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  16. LincolnAve

    LincolnAve Peon

    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #16
    Cablebox,
    You missed my point.

    Why is admitting to STEALING ok?

    The mods are responsible for banning. That is my concern, I'm not blaming any mods for me getting ripped off.

    Really I'm glad it was a small amount, but others have lost much more.

    The thief admitted to stealing from me, nobody else.
     
    LincolnAve, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  17. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

    Messages:
    38,334
    Likes Received:
    2,613
    Best Answers:
    462
    Trophy Points:
    710
    Digital Goods:
    29
    #17
    If I was selling my car, I would definitely use an escrow service. If you give someone your car before you actually get money for it, yes... you would be foolish.

    As far as admission... I don't even know who or what you are talking about. People seem to assume that we are all knowing about what goes on privately between members.

    Right now, all I hear is, "Someone admitted to stealing from me, but I'm not going to tell you who it is or give you a link to the admission. Why aren't you taking action?"
     
    digitalpoint, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  18. LincolnAve

    LincolnAve Peon

    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #18
    Thanks for your respect!

    You get revenue from the ads. It doesn't matter how you get paid, it just matters that you do get paid.

    DP..."There doesn't need a be a rule for not stealing. That's like saying we need a rule for people to not kill other users."

    Can I suppose that if someone admitted (on DP) to Killing someone you wouldn't do anything about that either? Is that what you are trying to say?

    Either way I simply disagree with allowing criminal activity. You can argue for it any way you want. I simply disagree, that is just me.

    Have a nice day.

    Got to get back to work.
     
    LincolnAve, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  19. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

    Messages:
    38,334
    Likes Received:
    2,613
    Best Answers:
    462
    Trophy Points:
    710
    Digital Goods:
    29
    #19
    If you were criminally stolen from, you should call your local authorities. They will be able to handle it. That's the nice thing about crimes that fall within the criminal jurisdiction... the authorities will handle it for you. If it's a civil matter, you would need to handle it yourself, but criminal matters they will do for you.

    Someone admitting to killing another member here would get reported to the authorities (obviously), and it would be taken care of.

    In the end, I STILL have no idea who or what you are talking about... because no one wants to actually give me a link for this public admission of theft they keep talking about. So either give us a link to it so we can look at it, or please just stop complaining about it.

    As it stands now, it's like you go into a restaurant and get angry at the owner because another custom stole your jacket. And you are saying they are publicly admitting to stealing your jacket... but you are angry that the owner doesn't do anything even though you won't tell them who it is or where they admitted it.

    Do you want me to call the police for you and tell them someone stole something from someone? They probably are going to ask for more details that I wouldn't be able to give them anyway... for example who it is... evidence of them admitting they did it, etc.

    I'm not really sure what you are expecting, but if you don't tell who it is, where they admitted it, etc., how can you possibly be mad that we didn't do anything about it? Should I just ban every user on our site so that we get them for sure?
     
    digitalpoint, Oct 7, 2010 IP
  20. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

    Messages:
    6,095
    Likes Received:
    103
    Best Answers:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    240
    #20
    @LincolnAve
    If you where on my forum I would have banned you for having since a nice attitude . You might have forgotten to take a look at this .

    Right now you are rudely demanding that DP avenges your for your gullibility . Simply because DP "gets money" . So for a few cents you're asking them to waste their time when they could be doing something that benefits all members and brings them some serious dollars .

    I'm sorry but your risk free fantasy world doesn't exist .
     
    ApocalypseXL, Oct 7, 2010 IP
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.