Answering Allegations about Islam - !!! Come And Join Us !!!

I am very disappointed in this thread because I had thought at the beginning you were actually trying to get people to understand Islam. I really respected that and opened myself up to wanting to listen to what you had to say. But then I came to realize you are using this thread to bash christians. I do not consider myself a christian, but still do not share in your joy of treating them with disrespect. I am wondering what is in it for you?
If it gives you such pleasure to play this game, how about the Koran...
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What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?"Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,"(96:2)."We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape,(15:26)."The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him:"Be". And he was,"(3:59)."But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?"(19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35)."He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer!(16:4).
Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things,"(2:256)."And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith,"(9:3)."But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful,"(9:5).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth,(even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued,"(9:29).
The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam,"(39:12)."When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said:"O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said:"By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said:"Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe."(7:143).

would you like some more?
In Sura 3:42, 45 SEVERAL angels appear to Mary in the annunciation of the birth of Jesus

In Sura 19:17-21 only ONE angel appears to the virgin Mary
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In Sura 22:47 and 32:5 Allah's day is equal to 1,000 human years.

In Sura 70:4, Allah's day is equal to 50,000 human years.---------
Sura 56:7 says there will be three distinct groups of people at the Last Judgment.

Sura 90:18-19 and 99:6-8 say there will be two distinct groups at the Last Judgment

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Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 all clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days.

Sura 41:9-12, the detailed description of the creation procedure, add up to eight days

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Sura 2:29 says the earth was created first and then heaven.

Sura 49:27-30 says the heaven was created first and then the earth was created.---------

In Sura 41:30 and 57:21 there is said to be only one garden in Paradise.

In Sura 18:31, 22:23, 25:33, and 78:32 there are many gardens in Paradise.

want some more?
Which one is correct?· Quran-2:256: There is no Compulsion in religion….

OR

Quran-9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.· Quran-9:5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….· Quran-47:4: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….· Quran-2:191: And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.· Quran-8: 65: O Apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight…(against) unbelievers.

what some more?
Plea se see what the Qur'an says:

Sura 6:115

The words of thy Lord are perfect in truth and in justice;
NONE can change His words:
For He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.

Sura 6:34

There is none that can alter the words of Allah.
Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.


Sura 10:64

There is no changing the words of God;
that is the supreme triumph.


Further in Sura 3:3 and others, the Qur'an confirms that Torah, Zabur
and Injil are words of God.

Do you believe the Qur'an is true in its statement
that NOBODY can change the words of God?

Something to ponder for you.*********Every time you dig out an "error" in the [Torah/Gospel],

you confirm that the Qur'an is WRONG !!!!!*****

and prove that the very foundation of your religion is faulty.

The Qur'an states this at least three times to make sure you don't
overlook it.

If you think the Bible is wrong BECAUSE of some contradictions
you have piled up, then think about the contradiction between
the Qur'an and your confidence in this "proof". In my opinion this
is a serious logical problem for Islam.
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All I am trying to say if you scan the internet by "koran contradictions" or if you scan by "bible contradictions" you are going to find some. THEN, you will just as easily by able to find someone who can explain why they are not contradictions at all. What is your real motive here? If I post these koran contradictions up here do I think that you will say, "Gee, Rebecca is so right and the Koran is wrong." NO, I don't think that. What you will is say "Oh those aren't really contradictions!" ...Do you think a christian will read your post and say, "Well gosh, I used to be a christian but PostingPays set me straight!" Nooo...They will say, "PostingPays is wrong!"

SO THERE, MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS FINALLY HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON. ISN'T THAT GREAT? CONGRATULATIONS!

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Such lame "contradictions" have been responded to here:

http://www.noorullah.org/2006/09/30/contradictions-in-the-quran-refuted/

Better luck next time.

- MENJ

 

Menj, our own little e-jihadist.

 

If he says it's refuted, by (moon) god it's refuted! Doubly so, because it also says so as part of the url! It couldn't be wrong then! But when his are refuted, the usual things come out:

a) it must be an islamic source
b) the source is biased
c) source is wrong
d) another source with "refuted" in the url says different
e) taken out of context
f) we are infidel, so do not understand these matters
g) outright denial

I may have missed a few, but those the typical ones I see so far. But the funniest ones are where he attempts to close off all discussion by "claiming" only that something is refuted.

 

There are people just like you pointing out the contradictions in the koran, why they think they are not contradictions, pointing out the contradictions in the bible, why they think they are not contradictions. THAT IS MY POINT.
I don't have an agenda to prove either the bible or the koran wrong. My point is that all contradictions to the bible and koran have been well thought about and a 10 minute search on the internet can find you an answer as to why they are not thought of as a contradiction. You posted your link as to a rebuttal of all the contradictions...just like the christians posted there link with a rebuttal to the contradictions you posted. It is a never ending circle you can go around and around in but never get anywhere.

 

The point is that there are NO ERRORS in the Qur'an, no matter what one might find on the WWW. Most of the "errors", btw, hail its origins from Answering Islam.

And yet you pasted a whole list of "Qur'anic errors"

Then I guess one just has to study the viewpoints of both sides before dismissing it, eh?

- MENJ

 

You are as sure that there are no contradictions in the koran, just as the chritian is sure there are no contradictions in the bible. That is because you have faith in your beliefs and you do not want to accept anything that contradicts what you hold near and dear to your heart. That is only human nature. I did not post the contradictions of the koran because I am against the koran, I posted them because I am tired of you and postingpays posting christian contradictions as if it really means something. It means nothing because as you know all the contradictions you have posted have been answered long ago-just like all the contradictions to the koran have. If you want to promote Islam in a positive manner be an example. Treat people with kindness and respect. If you spend all your energy bashing everyone's beliefs you are doing the Muslim world a dis-service, not helping it. You get on here eager to fight everyone, telling people there religion is basically stupid and then wonder why people don't respond in a positive way. I think there some prejudice against Muslims because alot of people fear them and also westerners do not know them very well. If you got on the forum and were more positive and respectful of others you would get more votes
Rather than waste your energy in posting christian contradictions why don't you post real life stories that help us understand Muslim culture and all the positive things they are doing in our world.

 

All these discussions really make me believe that islam may be really an intollerent religion.

 

All of the hijackings, bombings, beheadings, and stonings had the same effect on me...

 

Wait a minute...where have I been "posting Christian contradictions"? I have done no such thing. I havce only defended against the list of "Qur'an contradictions", but I have not done anything to the Bible.

Anyway since you requested real life stories, perhaps this link will help you understand Islam from our perspective:

http://www.noorullah.org/category/multimedia/

Best regards.

- MENJ

 

All of your posts are highly remarkable and inteligent.
Thanks

 

Thank you, I bookmarked your site and will keep checking back as time permits. After looking over it briefly there is alot of positive info there. For example, on page http://www.noorullah.org/2006/09/22/the-greatest-declaration-of-human-rights/
I read the first bill of rights and enjoyed reading that. Have a great day

 

Very well, enjoy reading.

- MENJ

 

Menj1980: I really liked your post explaining Why Islam Can't Escape the Darkages

The Catholic Church had the same problem for awhile and still struggles with it. They just used the word "heretic" instead. But the consequences were the same.

 

Respected Rebecca,

Yo got me wrong this time, I was just asking these questions when there were direct Attacks on Quran and Muslims without even knowing the Facts. The only thing when I responded is due to the neglegence of the public to such Great religons including Islam. (I think you know this better as I find you much posative in this regard)

Sorry to say If someone got me to Attack Christians, It was not really as I mentioned already in my first post of Contradiction that I am not writing to hurt any Christian Brother or anyone. I was just replying to the harsh comments.

Anyhow, Again coming to my point and let me make this Clear.

We Muslims are much more follower of Jesus (pbuh) as that of Christians as we follow each and every rule of Bible which matches with Our Quran as both of scriptures do Agree @ some points.

Why not We ??

 

Islam never had a "Dark Age" the same way Europe did and GTech is described pretty well there, do you not agree?

There are no churches in Islam either so parallels simply do not exist. I suppose Islamophobes like you do exist so it cannot be helped if tahi like you appear once in a while. Fortunately in our forum on comparative religion, I have yet to encounter a foul-mouthed sharmoota like you at the moment.

- MENJ

 

Why are virgins so prized? Many college males who were not muslim and did not have to die and they had there share of them!!!

 

Your claim is false.

- MENJ

 

I have only this past week been checking out this section of the DP forum and have been shocked by the anger that goes back and forth. I think it has been an eye opener for me because I realize how much prejudice exists. I found a sermon on a jewish website if anyone is interested to read it...
It is called, "Anti-Islam: Our Newest Unchecked Bigotry"
http://www.beth-elsa.org/sms122702.htm
It starts talking about prejudice against Islam about the 5th paragraph down. I have been trying to think of the words to express how I felt and this kind of sums it up. I think it is insanity when people take a whole group of people and label them as "bad". Thanks...

 

I love this part...

But, more important, it is in our self-interest to fight this anti-Islamic menace. Bigotry against any group is not only morally reprehensible but is also bad for Jews. Hatred spreads like a malignancy beyond its original target. Who can assure us that those preachers who defame Islam will not eventually begin to malign Judaism and other religions as well? Indeed, bigotry knows no boundaries.

Our task then is to object to anti-Muslim sentiment, wherever we encounter it- whether in daily conversation or in the media. And let God be the ultimate Judge of which religions are correct and not allow misguided members of the clergy to rob God of that prerogative. Amen.