German Interior Minister: Islam is part of our future

So you are not approving of the message, then? (yes or no) You simply posted the picture because its "pretty"? Okay.

 

They showed their disapproval of the Pope and I posted it as an accompanying picture to the article. That was all.

- MENJ

 

what scares me the most is that young Muslim kids read that crap and start believing it.

 

You are dodging the question. Are you in agreement or disagreement of this statement

It's a simple yes or no question.

 

You probably prefer to bomb them out of existence anyway.

- MENJ

 

Since I don't interpret the signage in the way you do, therefore I am not obliged to answer your question with either a "yes or no", since it is obviously a red herring.

In any case, the statement above is incorrect, dhimmis are not "second-class citizens". They can hold rank in office and indeed there have been Jews and Christians who have held official position in the courts of the Caliphs. So what is this nonsense about being a "second-class citizen"?

- MENJ

 

So you fine with christians as dhimmis; where they are protected, as long as "not holding authority over Muslims, paying the jizya tax, not building new churches or repairing old ones"

Yes or no.

 

If Christians are dhimmis under Muslim rule, they will of course pay the jizya tax but I do not see any provision whereby they are "not holding authority over Muslims" or are not allowed to "build new churches or reparing old ones". That is a stupid description.

- MENJ

 

menj's true feelings come out.

"those damn infidels have cornered me on another embarrassing aspect of islam."

 

Kindly refer to the "Recent Blog" title above. It still applies.

- MENJ

 

That's fine if you think its stupid. I think its stupid that Christians are forced to pay a tax for having a different religion. Do you see how that'd be offensive to non-muslims? Do christians force muslims to pay a tax, just because they are muslim?

Secondly, this defines second class citizen. If you are taxed because you are not "muslim" that separates you immediately separated from them and makes you second class. If I taxed you, because your name is "menj" you are lower in my eyes, are you not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi#Legal_and_social_status

 

Yes they do, and its called the income tax. Because that is what the jizyah is basically all about. And Muslims are "forced" to pay the zakaat to the state.

So basically, who are you to complain if the Christians have to pay the jizyah to the state, when Muslims too are taxed with the zakaat? The main difference between the two is that the jizyah is excluded from those who are poor, sick, could not afford it or served in the military, as opposed to the Muslim zakaat which is compulsory.

- MENJ

 

income tax is applied to everyone who earns money. its not singled out based upon religion.

 

Islam is State and Religion, and it does not advocate capitalism or secularism.

- MENJ

 

Furthermore:

Not building churches (precedent set)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

Practicing their religion:

Blasphemy:

You just said you are approving of the "dhimmi" status for christians. do you support these as well?

 

You are still dodging. Income tax does not say christians pay 10%, non-christians pay 15% or anything. It is based on (shockingly enough), income. You are in support of a tax based upon preferred religions. What else are the "non-preferred" religions subject to? I've posted it, others have.

Are you also in support of the rest of "dhimmi" status?

 

And you took those large swathes of text from the Orientalist section, where the following disclaimer was published:

The neutrality and factual accuracy of this section are disputed.
Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page.

and

Some of the information in this article on "Dhimmi" may not be verified by as reliable a source as would be preferred. It should be checked for inaccuracies and modified as needed, citing more reliable sources.

And from my own references on the subject, I can say that the information above is erroneous and unreliable.

- MENJ

 

Dispute all you want. I don't care, really. Until you can tell me what your version of "dhimmi" means, I will go with what I can find. Got me?

And that singular picture from your own site supports everything I've said and everything I've read about "know your place" or whatever it said.

That you actually try to defend this, is sad.

 

The rate of the zakaat is 2.5% and the jizya rate is 1%, sometimes even lower depending on the means of the person in question. It does not even touch 2%! So what is this noise about "unfairness"? I would say 10% is too burdensome even for the Christian!

I am in support for an Islamic State, yes.

- MENJ

 

Very well, I will post something about the subject soon and based on my own references.

- MENJ