That was why i mentioned that.. I have to be frank here... have seen about a million posters and films and videos mocking hinduism, but we never object or harass. But when some one else's religion is harassed even in a mild way, then react horrifyingly.. You are from India? Then i need not provide references. So, in essence, i beg to differ that Hinduism is kaput because atleast it teaches values about everything. Do you get the point about worshipping animals now..? I was not raised as a Hindu, i was just raised. My parents don't insist on going to temples and all, and i don't go much. Inside my mind, God is just an energy, we can never comprehend.... To me God has provided with choices and it doesn't matter whether my God has an image. My God permits me to worship him, or not worship him... I am a fanatic of science, and i believe in multiple dimensions and also the string theory and parallel universes... To me, the notion of parallel universe seems like God is playing, an experiment sort of thing. You are basing logic on just the basic facts you have heard about Hinduism. I am sorry, maybe because you were raised that way. But, my hinduist belief makes me believe in science and i do. I love maths, and am hence proud of hinduism too. Yes, it has everything to do with hinduism, and so does ayurveda.. You are referring hinduism to be just a religion, which it is not. The government and the world recognise it as religion, but hindus know better. I repeat, hinduism is a tradition, a culture, not just a means to god. That is exactly why there are a million gods in hinduist culture... Ayurveda is the result of thousands of years of mans interaction with nature and this interaction, this culture is hinduism. It is controversial to you, but not to us... Ayur veda is a cure for the cause, not for the effect (like Alopathy). A paracetamol tablet causes nerve endings to be numbed of the pain, while a braham churna kills viruses. Yes, it does. If you believe in alopathy, than ayur veda, than i'd say you are not a believer of science, but a believer of just, drugs, like cocaine, heroine and other, which causes similar effects on human body like paracetamol, in a much larger way... Did you know that a paracetamol tablet contains the same milder effect of heroin.. It just has a specially designed form which acts on specific nerve regions on specific receptacle molecules, but heroin acts universally on all nerve nodes and regions..? No, i am not a medicine student, nor an ayurvedic student, and not studying chemistry or biochemistry.... I am a Mechanical Engineering student awaiting provisional degree certificate just after completing BTech, 4 years course. Now you might say that i am bluffin about the above facts, because i am a mech student... Google them, search them, ask your favorite, trusted doctor or friends... They will confirm.... Religion is something that relates man to god and hinduism is not that... Hinduism doesn't prescribe holy scriptures, or gods. You can have your own beliefs about god. So, one god might be a powerful animal, while some can be related to ones like rat and mouse. This is because, again, it is a tradition, a culture and not a religion.....
@Viper I almost had a TL;DR but to put it in a simple way we love machine gunning the hell out of people that post bull . In case you didn't noticed P&R is the most brutal part of DP . But except for a few differently abled people we're all supporters of human right and freedom . However that doesn't mean that a subject is tabu because someone might get buthurt for discussing it . Anyway try making your post more readable .
You need to come out of your dream world: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...new_round_of_antichristian_violence_in_india/ http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/03/26/104097.html You sure have heard of Babri Mosque case? Just wait for 24th sept and you'll more Hindu reaction to "nothing". Being part of organised religion groups you with all the other followers, there's no running away from that. If God is "just an energy" for you and you know that there's no monkey god then there's no need to defend him or Hinduism.
I agree..... Guns astray.. How do yo mean more readable...? Pointers..? Sorry, i never had experience posting such long posts... You can answer this while i am off to load my A12 auto shot gun.
The Archaeological Survey Of India has maintained in it's detailed report that Babri Masjid was built on place of a former Sri Ram Temple.. I don't give bulls on that, but some do.. When Israel wages war on Palestine many people seem to feel okay because they are fighting for their land, right..? Some hindus, fanatics i agree want their old temple back, why do you differ... NO, i am not in a dream world... And read this - http://www.twocircles.net/?q=2010jul04/controversial_question_paper_professors_hand_cut.html Also, an energy can take any form, it can be converted from one form to another and it can be turned into matter/mass (E=MxCxC)... So, godly energy can bejust energy or a monkey or a plant or a tree..... Got the point..? So if someone says his god is a monkey form, don't contradict... LOL, Catholic News Agency,... They will no doubt report the truth about it..., That might have more juice than the real fact, though.. Hope you know.. Or , are you a catholic now..? Answer this,, are you an atheist or ...? What are you... Knowing that will give me a more into your perspective...
Maybe Helvetti is expecting a decision against the hindu claims and that the court will rule in favor of muslims.. Helvetti expects a widespread discontent over this ruling which will spark hinduist extremism or as they put it, Hindutva... I am not sure though... Just pointed that this might be Helvetti's thoughts...
Where you live today, there was something else 500 years back. What if their heirs come and ask you for it? When you say no, they just demolish your house? This IS exactly what happened, A group Hindu thugs demolished a building they had no rights to. Its a done deal that Hindus won't get the land back (unless the judges are partial because they are Hindus), I don't say Muslims should get it, but Hindus definitely shouldn't. IMO it should fall back to the government and the municipal corporations should make proper use of it. I am an atheist and you know that all hindu gods are just fairy tale characters but don't want to admit it. Hindus will lose the case and start rioting (as they have done several times), even if the Supreme Court rules against them they still won't stop demanding the land back.
The land i am on now was bought by my parents or their parents... The temple was demolished by Babur, and he built the Masjid on it... HE didn't fing buy the place... And nor did Emperor Babur buy the 100s of thousands of temples in north india that he demolished to construct mosques... Maybe you need a history lesson. Also, Mughal dynasty till Akbar charged Hindus pilgrimage tax for exercising the right to god... Funny how you miss these things... ------------- You don't seem to be just an atheist... An atheist doses not defy logic, and fact.... You look more like a Communist... My presumption was right on both counts..
Helvetii Your argument of heirs coming to claim back their ancestral property didn't just make sense to me. This is akin to saying if muslims demolish Vatican to build a mosque in its place, Catholics shouldn't ever claim it back even if it's recorded as illegal historically. There is something called as law which is above all else. Secondly, you are prejudiced against Hindus. Hindus will lose the case and start rioting (as they have done several times), even if the Supreme Court rules against them they still won't stop demanding the land back.
Exactly.. I agree on all counts.. That was my prime reason to suggest that Helvetti must be a Communist... A communist defies logic by the second.. my uncle is one. Knowledgeable guy, but logic, none. Blind to all violence except those done by Hindus. I admit that some Hindus get really out of hand and way, but these guys just criticise the Hindus when they do something.. When the atrocities happen on the Hindus, they keep quiet, because they are happy about it...
I know all that. Things have been demolished and new things built all the time and there's no point cribbing about it now. You are just wasting your life over it. Tell me, what would you or any Hindu get if a temple is constructed there? (Which won't happen) Do you have documentary proof regarding who was the actual owner of the land 500 or whatever years back? No? Well when the mosque was demolished, Muslim Orgs were legal owners of the land, Hindu extremist (whose actions you are supporting) broke multiple laws during their mob activity. Lets say there was a Mosque 500 years back on the land where you live, There was no legal owner of the land except the state, it was demolished to build houses which was given to X, your parents bought it from X's heirs. Now is it okay for a random Muslims who have no right to the property to come and burn down your house?
Not if that is not true. But there was confirmed evidence suggesting the place was a temple before it was demolished to build a mosque. If there's no point cribbling, then why don't muslim supporters keep shut and leave it.... ---------- Documentary proof.. No, neither does the mosque owners whose building was demolished 500 years back to build a number of houses for X. But the fact stays that there was a temple there and that it was demolished among the hundred others... It matter if the new temple comes up, because otherwise, why don't palestine and israel stop the issue... Land matters, when religion is involved. You are 100% prejudiced against hindus.. This sentence shows it. You don't care who gets the land, as you said before, but you don't want hindus to get it whatever happens... You are not an atheist. You are a muslim-communist blend... LOL....
They are just as stupid as Hindus, thats why. This is hypocrisy. You are avoiding my question because you don't have an answer for it, I asked why does it matter? Does it only matter because you were born a Hindu and your mind was raped into believing thats its the only true religion? Answer the Question, What would you get personally if a temple is constructed? Yes Hindus shouldn't get it since that would be injustice. Is that Extremist Hindus favorite pass time? You are the second extremist to do that. Calling others "Muslims" and "Communists"? ....LOL... Stupid...take a look at my posting history.
So you know it, right? But what you seem to don't know is that this is not some ordinary thing that you are used to see being felled all the time. This (Ram Temple) was a structure passionately loved by one and all and was used as a place of worship. Your comment sounds like it's okay to fell temples illegally like felling a post office or a street corner tea shop for whatever reason. And as for what would Hindus get back, as for as I am concerned, it's the justice, the prevalence of truth and the satisfaction of defeating the oppressive muslim forces. (So, what would a few Americans/Christians lose if a mosque is built a few hundred meters away from ground zero?) Archeological documents are accepted in the courts of law as legitimate proofs all over and it doesn't matter whether you like it or not. Just one point to prove - that whether there was a temple in that spot and that's all about it, definitely not whether the temple owner had legal title or not. Please mail me the copy of that piece of paper you probably are having to so confidently claim that muslims were the legal owners of the land. Not a problem if you just assumed things, I can condone it and shout that your statement is no better than all those false claims form Muslims. Multiple flaws. So many ifs and buts. Nothing more than a bag full of hypothetical arguments. This statement doesn't even stand the first scrutiny. Let me thrash them one by one. here was no legal owner of the land except the state, How do you know? If you have investigated it, let the court know it. I am not sure of the prevalent modalities of land transfer of that era. So, whether it was state owned or the ownership was passed on to the temple (committee), in the end all that matters is there was a temple much before Babar invaded India and before he dreamed of building the mosque. it was demolished to build houses which was given to X, The word given in your statement sounds like it was handed over with total agreement and legality. Fine, but claims by Hindus in this case is that the land was forcibly poached, the temple was demolished, a mosque was built and Hindus were kept out of it for 500 years or whatever that may be. Second, it's not houses but a mosque that was built belittling and destructing the faith of crores of Hindus who lived here for ages without muslims and their mullas. Retrospectively speaking, I can even risk a magnanimous gesture of condoning the episode if houses were built instead for poor amongst muslim. your parents bought it from X's heirs I guess you used this analogy to mean that what if the babri masjid was bought over by someone else from the first beneficiary. I am sure this is what you actually meant to say by it. Okay, here are two points. 1. There are no legal transactions involved in the case 2. There is no third party here You should compare two things on congruency (rather cetirus parribus condition). Stop comparing onions to oranges. Now is it okay for a random Muslims who have no right to the property to come and burn down your house? We are no random Hindus, neither are those people who are fighting the case are. Court is going to decree whether we have the rights to the property (I would prefer not to call it a property, it's much more for us) and not you (You seem to be hell bent up on demolishing your won reputation, you are prejudiced.)
I don't have time to argue whole day, the fact is that you are supporting the actions of religious extremist who broke all laws, disregarded the constitution and demolished a monument. That makes you no different from extremist supporters and terrorist sympathizers. It makes Hindus no different from Muslims. Just wait for Friday..
This doesn't show you any better either. You failed to see my point and to cover that up, you allege that I am one with extremists. If standing up for truth is supporting the extremists, then you have to grow up fast.But wait, you always have sounded like a mindless fascist. Okay, what are you going to do to stop it if you are so much concerned?