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Why, in your opinion, if you would wipe off the whole Muslim world, the progress of science and knowledge of humanity will not be affected at all?

 

Perhaps have someone with an IQ above freezing read them to you.

Go back and re-read, or have someone who can explain read to you.

 

the earth is not egg shaped lol what are you talking about

 

That's been debunked sooooo... many times.

[video=youtube;RVgfLZPMZzc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVgfLZPMZzc[/video]

The best isn't a video though, it's the ex-Muslims at FaithFreedom:

Muslim claim: "Verse 79:30 decribes the earth as eggshaped, more precisely the egg of an ostrich, because of the word dahaha"

This claim is very popular among muslims, but its very wrong. Lets take a look at verse 79:30.

[079.030] Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha

وَالأرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ دَحَاهَا

دَحَا = daha=spread out , level off , level. The last ha = هَا in dahaha means this. So dahaha actually means spread out this, level off this, level this.

http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1.asp?Site=1&Src_L=eng_ara1&DestLang=En&lpcWord=%cf%cd%c7

Does "Dahaha" really mean egg-shaped?

In Arabic, each word must be derived from its root. The root usually consists of three letters that can be manipulated, by adding vowels, prefixes and suffixes in order to produce different words with different meanings.
For example, "ka-ta-ba" (to write) is the root for many words such as kitab (book), maktaba (library), katib (author), maktoob (written), kitabat (writings) etc...

Let's now take the word you mentioned to mean egg of an ostrich, "Duhiya". This word is NOT a root. It is a noun and is derived from "da-ha-wa", the same root that the verb "dahaha" comes from.
Furthermore, Duhiya doesn't even mean the egg of an ostrich! This is what the most respected dictionaries have to say on this subject:

From Lisan Al Arab:

Quote:
الأُدْحِيُّ و الإدْحِيُّ و الأُدْحِيَّة و الإدْحِيَّة و الأُدْحُوّة مَبِيض النعام في الرمل , وزنه أُفْعُول من ذلك , لأَن النعامة تَدْحُوه برِجْلها ثم تَبِيض فيه وليس للنعام عُشٌّ . و مَدْحَى النعام : موضع بيضها , و أُدْحِيُّها موضعها الذي تُفَرِّخ فيه .ِ


Translation: "Al-udhy, Al-idhy, Al-udhiyya, Al-idhiyya, Al-udhuwwa:The place in sand where an ostrich lays its egg. That's because the ostrich spreads out the earth with its feet then lays its eggs there, an ostrich doesn't have a nest."

As for the meaning for the verb "dahaha", it's unanimously agreed on by all Arabic dictionaries:

Al Qamoos Al Muheet:
Quote:
(دَحَا): الله الأرضَ
(يَدْحُوهَا وَيَدْحَاهَا دَحْواً) بَسَطَها


"Allah daha the Earth: He spread it out."

Al Waseet:
Quote:
دَحَا الشيءَ: بسطه ووسعه. يقال: دحا اللهُ الأَرض


"To daha something: means to spread it out. For example: Allah daha the Earth."

Lisan Al Arab:
Quote:
الدَّحْوُ البَسْطُ . دَحَا الأَرضَ يَدْحُوها دَحْواً بَسَطَها . وقال الفراء في قوله والأَرض بعد ذلك دَحاها قال : بَسَطَها ; قال شمر : وأَنشدتني أَعرابية : الحمدُ لله الذي أَطاقَا

بَنَى السماءَ فَوْقَنا طِباقَا

ثم دَحا الأَرضَ فما أَضاقا

قال شمر : وفسرته فقالت دَحَا الأَرضَ أَوْسَعَها ; وأَنشد ابن بري لزيد بن عمرو بن نُفَيْل : دَحَاها , فلما رآها اسْتَوَتْ

على الماء , أَرْسَى عليها الجِبالا

و دَحَيْتُ الشيءَ أَدْحاهُ دَحْياً بَسَطْته , لغة في دَحَوْتُه ; حكاها اللحياني . وفي حديث عليّ وصلاتهِ , اللهم دَاحِيَ المَدْحُوَّاتِ يعني باسِطَ الأَرَضِينَ ومُوَسِّعَها , ويروى ; دَاحِيَ المَدْحِيَّاتِ . و الدَّحْوُ البَسْطُ . يقال : دَحَا يَدْحُو و يَدْحَى أَي بَسَطَ ووسع


"To daha the earth: means to spread it out."
Then it mentions a couple of Arabic poems that confirm this meaning. I won't translate the rest but anyone who can read Arabic will find this to be the definitive proof that Daha means to spread out.

Also, Ibn Kathir agrees with me in his commentary on the Quran:
Quote:
(30. And after that He spread the earth,)


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=79&tid=56944

Conclusion: While verse 015.019, 020.053, 043.010, 050.007, 051.048, 071.019, 078.006, 079.030, 088.020 and 091.006 ALL clearly states that the earth is flat. And not a single verse in the koran tells or even hints us that the shape of the earth is anything else than flat, the conclusion is clear; according to the Koran the earth is flat as a pancake.​

Unfortunately, minds that are infected with Islam tend to be closed to facts and logic. Hell, you could show them proof that Muhammad was a child molester and they would still follow him to the grave.

 

What you mean is that the lies propagated by FFI and their likes have been debunked many, many times.

In 79:30, Allah says,

[Transliteration] Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha [79:30]

The key word in the above verse is “dahaha”. In Arabic, there is a phrase, “iza dahaha” which means “when he throws the stones over the ground to the hole”. The hole is called “Udhiyatun”. “Almadahi” signify round stones according to the size of which a hole is dug in the ground in which the stones are thrown in a game. “Almadahi” also signify a round thing made of lead by the throwing of which persons contend together. So there is a signification of ROUNDNESS in the root of the word “dahaha”. According to some etymologists, the word for the “egg of an ostrich” also has the same root as “dahaha”. They also take from this that the earth is of the shape of the egg of an ostrich. Latest science findings confirm that the earth is not exactly spherical but the earth is an ellipsoid, i.e. flattened by its poles,[ just like the shape of an egg of an ostrich].

The Arabic words for “flat” or “level” or “straight shaped” are “sawi” and “almustavi”. There is not a single place in Quran where there is any indication of the earth being “flat” or “straight shaped”. The word “faraash” in 2:22, 51:48; the word “wasia” in 4:97, 29:56, 30:10; the word “mahd” in 20:53, 43:10, 78:6; the word “basaat” in 71:19; the word “suttihat” in 88:20; and the word “tahaaha” in 91:6, all may mean, “to spread”, “to expand” or “to extend” with slight differences in their connotations but none signify the earth being straight-shaped or flat.
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and from another, more detailed source which also deals with FFI's half-truth:

The Arabic word used in this verse is "Dahaha" which one of the meanings is "egg-shaped.". It also comes from the root word "daha" and has got many translations, and some are: "expanded," or "stretched out," or "wide expanse." It also means "egg-shaped". The Arabic word "Dahaha," also comes from the root "Dhuya," which means "egg shaped," and refers to the shape of an Ostrich egg.

Koran.Izlam.net dictionary/exegesis:
"The ground, its territory and egg ostrich shape."

Mohit Dictionary (By al-Firuzabadi):
"The egg of the ostrich in the sand.''

Lisan Arab Lexicon:
"Expanded it to an ostrich egg."

Source:
http://koran.iszlam.net/program.php?lang=English&csize=248

Moreover, let us read what a scholar of the name of: Muhammad Mohar Ali says about this Arabic word:

The Qur'an and the Orientalists, Pg.75:

"Now, the very first expression in the series, dahaha, is noticeably distinctive and different in genre from the rest. Watt, following many other previous translators, renders it as "spread out". But the exact and correct meaning of the term, keeping in view its root, rather provides a very positive Qur'anic evidence in support of the spherical shape of the earth. For daha means to "shape like an egg", its noun being dahiyah, which the Arabs still use to mean an egg."​

The correct translation are the above ones, which translates the word "Dahaha" as: "egg-shaped." Others translate of the word "Dahaha" as "expanse," or "stretched." Skeptics will wrongly use translations like "wide expanse," to try and prove it that Quran means earth is flat. These translations ("expanse," or "stretched.") talk about the land (crust) not the globe. The reason why, is because the term "ard" can also means "land or ground." Translations like "wide-expanse," ONLY describe the land, NOT specifically the shape or globe which does not prove the Earth is being described as flat.

Hence, if you translate the Arabic term "dahaha" as "expanse, expanded," or "stretched," then the correct translation of "ard" should be "land/ground." This would mean the verse is saying the land has been stretched out/expanded out, which is scientifically true. Refer to this article. The most scientific way to translate Surah Nazi at 79:30 (in this age of science and technology) is to translate "ard" as "globe/earth," and "dahaha" as "egg-shaped." This would mean the verse is saying the globe has been made egg-shaped which is scientifically true.

Others skeptics will claim that the Arabic word "Dahaha," from the root "daha" also means "flatness" according to this source. From this, they will make an allegation that this verse means the globe is flat. This Arabic word has MORE than 1 meaning, and you have to choose the correct meaning. A word may have 10's of meanings. 2 maybe correct, 3 maybe correct. Not all meanings of a word will be correct in every sentence, and this is common in every language. For example: supposed someone tells me: "I have a pig as a pet." If you go to Dictionary.com and Oxford Dictionary, one of the meanings of "pig" is "police officer". So, if I chose the wrong meaning to the word "pig," it would read: "I have a police officer as a pet." When the person says: "I have a pig as a pet," it does NOT mean "I have a police officer as a pet." So, this was just an example showing you that you have to choose the correct meaning.

Similarly, the correct meaning for "Dahaha" which comes from the root word "daha" is "egg-shaped. Moreover, "Dahaha," also comes from the root "Dhuya," which means "egg shaped," and refers to the shape of an Ostrich. This is the correct meaning here, which specifically describes the shape of the Earth. Other translators who have translated as "wide expanse, extended, stretched," describe the land of the Earth, as the Arabic word "ard" also means "land," but these translations don't describe the shape of the Earth. Today, scientific established facts inform us that the Earth is the shape of an egg and today, the shape of the Earth is very similar to the shape of on Ostrich.
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Unfortunately, minds that are infected with Islamophobia tend to be closed to facts and logic. Hell, you could show them proof that the Qur'an says 1+1=2 and they would deny it because it is from the Qur'an.

 

I specifically asked you to show me any video, audio or written evidence from Dr. Zakir which explicitly states that he supports terrorism. Your rather muted answer to this clearly gives me my answer.

Same as above, muted response after muted response it seems. You're changing tactics now, eh, Mr. Spencer? That's a good sign alright.

 

Even if the quran does accurately describe the shape of the earth (which it doesn't) it was known long before the quran was made up. Even if they knew the world was round, big whoop, Eratosthenes not only proved it was round in around 200BC but also calculated it's circumference with great accuracy.

Is that the limit of your god? He put in a book something which others knew, and proved, over 700 years previous? Wow, what a shit god.

 

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakir_Naik#Views_on_terrorism
Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk5AAA5FbI
and Here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10349564 banned from the civilized world.

Now: Why, in your opinion, if you would wipe off the whole Muslim world, the progress of science and knowledge of humanity will not be affected at all?

It was Pythagoras, 1200 years before Mo, who first proposed that the earth is round.
More about the "Muslim science in the quran": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwMBOynKpXE

 

Half-truths again, as usual.

With regards to the extract of a quote on Osama Bin Laden taken from a video on YouTube, this clip was taken from a lecture Dr. Zakir Naik delivered in Singapore in 1996, almost five years before 9/11 and not in 2006, as has been posted. It is therefore not possible to link this quote to Osama Bin Laden in the context of the 9/11, when the atrocity had not taken place; and took place after almost 5 years in 2001. The lecture was recorded by some local people (in Singapore) and was later edited and uploaded on You Tube by a prejudiced group. Unless and until we have the rushes (original unedited tapes) of the program, it is not possible to know which portions of the lecture have been edited. It is therefore not reasonable, in the light of Dr. Zakir Naik’s known views about 9/11 and all other atrocities such as 7/7 (London, UK) and 7/11 (serial train bomb blast in Mumbai, India) to link these manipulated and very old comments to recent world events. Dr. Zakir Naik has emphatically and regularly condemned any and all persons responsible for these appalling atrocities, killing innocent civilians.
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Rubbish. Let me tell you the full truth. There is no god called as Allah. Anyone asking either explicitly or otherwise to take lives en mass can only be a killer/terrorist. (Allah have mercy on us for all that we did but peace be upon you). Secondly, Mohammad is a plagiarist of last rate for when he copied from others, he messed up the whole thing because if he did, he would explain the shape of the world exactly like it was established by then. In contrast, think for a while how he deals with the inevitabilities for muslims to beat and abuse women and molest girl children or to kill the believers of truth (non muslims) in great detail.

The world isn't so simplistic and egg headed to accept your theories and diktats. We have lived here for millenniums before even Allah and later Paigamber were born.

Btw, who could this jerk Zakir Naik be?

 

Wikipedia clearly stated that it was taken in 1996. You Clown. Also back in 1996, after the first WTC attempt and the Africa bombings, ben-laden was already a world-class terrorist, and Zakir Naik a preacher that supports terrorism. Because Islam = Terrorism.

Now: Why, in your opinion, if you would wipe off the whole Muslim world, the progress of science and knowledge of humanity will not be affected at all?

 

Yep, you summed up your pointless rant very well. I couldn't be bothered to deal with the nonsense which have already been dealt with at many places, such as this or this...or even this.

 

Yeah, and so? OBL wasn't exactly as infamous as he is today at the time.

Do you teach your daughter to call people names, Moshe?

 

So basically you claim that a preacher should not support a terrorist only if he's famous because that's bad PR, but you have no problem with preachers supporting terrorism. Which proves again that Islam = Terrorism.....

I teach her to live in reality. And not live in fear of merciless gods in a barbaric society. And I also teach her not to be afraid to answer questions and face reality:
Now: Why, in your opinion, if you would wipe off the whole Muslim world, the progress of science and knowledge of humanity will not be affected at all?

 

Its pretty much covered in the official statement by the IRF...I don't feel the slightest inclination to copy/paste it all over again. Do your own homework.

And this is coming from someone whose country recently attacked an aid flotilla. If someone is a "terrorist" simply because he said that he supports someone (even though he doesn't know at the time that person is a terrorist), then your country is a bigger terrorist because they killed people sending aid to a blockaded nation. Wow, talk about hypocrisy! Ever heard of the phrase "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? Oh wait...of course you wouldn't...your culture taught you that the person who said that was born out of wedlock.

 

Well, I don't see any truth in the rant the OP made. It's only another propaganda to raise funds for the jehadis. Let's see how...

The so called islamic moon mission / space station does not find a mention in any of the world's largest media. I checked New York times, Washington post and BBC (muslims will rush in to discredit these sites now).

1. http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?go=t...Institute for Space Science&start=1&scope=all
2. http://www.washingtonpost.com/newssearch/search.html?st=Muhammad Institute for Space Science
3. http://query.nytimes.com/search/sitesearch?query=Muhammad+Institute+for+Space+Science&srchst=cse

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The Peninsula, which the OP mentions is hardly reliable, if not why the world, in and out of Canada, is absolutely oblivious of this huge big thing if it were true? Or is it a covert action by terrorists?

Second, fund requirements.

The world's islamic population is about a billion now and even if each muslim donates $1.00 (as solicited by the fictitious space agency) for the cause which is going to remains a dud. It's another issue altogether that more than half of muslims can't even muster up a dollar to be bereaved of it for something as mute as this. Now, I hope I don't even need to shout about the number of poverty stricken muslim countries surviving on international lifelines​

Third, will Canadian Govt allow this?

Why would it, for heaven's sake? Why the muslim agency isn't doing this in Saudi Arabia or in Afghanistan? The propaganda has failed flat because they couldn't take a muslim country's name for the fear of being unable to create any imaginary credibility they desperately wanted to​

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I am wondering why these muslims are so hell bent on proving they have shit, nothing but shit in their heads and quran.

 

But the way, I am curious to know how much this Islamic space agency has donated to flood victims of Pakistan?

 

There was no aid on the ship (google it up), it was a ship of terrorists who wish to die for the glory of Allah. As many of them expressed themselves. They also chanted murder and anti-semitic songs, recorded on video. They were no aid workers, as the whole world already knows.
Remind yourself these facts by going to the threads and seeing their videos prior to contact with the IDF. They came to kill and get killed. By supporting them you prove even further, as if we needed any further proof, that Islam = terrorism. You are a terrorist supporter.
I can only wish that the millions of blood-thirsty Muslim terrorists around the world would attack their victims with paintball rifles just as the IDF "attacked" the ship.

Now: Why, in your opinion, if you would wipe off the whole Muslim world, the progress of science and knowledge of humanity will not be affected at all?

 

I agree, that dollar from everyone could be put to better use, then to try and show the world that you "whatever you can do, I can do better"

I'm sure there are plenty of hungry Muslims around the world who can use the money...

 

Great post, millions are starving and under water, but they want to send some equipment to the moon... How about sending some food and medical supplies to Pakistan instead... How about helping your own, by actually helping your own... This little man complex some Muslims have against the west is becoming ridiculous... Most Muslims live peaceful god fearing lives, then you have a select few who have an inferiority complex, and will stop at nothing to prove a point..

Instead of collecting money to buy bombs, or send crap to the moon, collect money to help build power plants, running water and things to make the lives of Muslims better. Way too many Muslims live without power and running water, and good health care, but they want to collect money for "Holy Wars" and "space stations". there is a reason why man hasn't been back to the moon in decade's, its because it is a waste of money. The moon has nothing to offer man...