Pope said the truth or not?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by angellica2017, Sep 26, 2006.

  1. #1
    What do you think about what Pope's said a few days ago for moslem? Is he said the truth or not? Shall he make any apologize?

    Peace
     
    angellica2017, Sep 26, 2006 IP
  2. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    He didn't apologize but regreted the reaction deeply

    He said that he wants a dialogue. - Great -
     
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    #3
    did the pope lie about Islam?
     
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    Nope. He just quoted something someone said hundreds of years ago about how islam is a faith that's "spread by the sword". To prove him wrong, muslims started attacking churches and burning effigies of him. I think it was an Al-Qaeda tape that said they were going to make him pay for what he said by conquering the world and cutting off the heads of anyone who doesn't convert.
     
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    #5
    please give some evidence...
     
    angellica2017, Sep 30, 2006 IP
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    Angellica, please read this (10 minutes read) before we can continue to discuss about the recent remarks of the pope.
    It will give you a historical insight up to the present.
     
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    what he said was his opinion,he shouldnt be apologizing to these islamo-facists.
    He has been correct as we have seen what they do.
     
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    #8
    Pope's remarks was ill-informed and uneducated. Perhaps he had been listening too much to the Christo-fascists. The following links are the Muslim replies to the Pope:

    http://www.bukanliberal.org/articles/415/

    http://www.bukanliberal.org/articles/418/

    http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/an-islamic-response-to-pope-benedict-xvi/

    http://www.noorullah.org/2006/09/26/sheikh-jaafar-idris-replies-to-the-pope/

    And here is one from the scholar Karen Armstrong:

    http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/arch...ntain-these-ancient-prejudices-against-islam/

    - MENJ
     
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    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    And there is nothing in it which has not already been discussed here.

    - MENJ
     
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    #10
    You must be a radical. If you eyes are not opened by now then nothing can and will help you.

    I prefer to stay with facts and not getting blinded by your (muslims) games.

    As for the pope, and I'm not a catholic, he found his way to name the child by its name in this case. At least a dialogue is getting started this way that will expose all the facts.

    I have to thank him for that.
     
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    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    LOL, it seems when all else fails, resort to name-calling. Now who is the one who is radical?

    - MENJ
     
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    #12
    It's not personal against you. But you should think about the possible outcome of your attempts, and that is a subtle (at the beginning) massage of telling people that islam is sooo peaceful in order to turn later into a full jihad, that seems to be your goal and fits exactly to the article I posted.

    Learn about your relgions past, even you may be too young, I give you the credit of intelectual ability to fully understand what I mean.

    To ignore the past means to re-live it. He who keeps on spreading the fairytale of Muslim tolerance, stands in the way of those Muslim intellectuals, who seriously work towards a reformation of islam, which started out so promisingly in the 19th century. He steals away their chance to overcome a past, which threatens to become a horrible present. If the reformers could achieve a radical de-politicization of Islam, the Muslims could become real citizens of their states.

    Obviously you are not an intelectual as required for a peace process.
     
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    #13
    the reaction from Muslims was evidence enough.
     
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    There is an awakening to the deceitful islam in the making.

    Praise the Lord in the name of Jesus.
     
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    #15
    That it was,we have discovered the "real" side of this bunch.
    Menj its time to stop the games,by linking to these islamo-facist sites it shows that you ill-informed views have no credablility.
     
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    Amen! ...
     
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  17. Ibn Juferi

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    And that is where you are mistaken. Islam has always been for jihad (from the root word jahada, to strive or to struggle). Not "holy war" in the warped understanding of the West, but as in "struggle". We do not have a concept of "holy war" or a "Crusade" as the Christians do.

    Obviously however, some people who have an axe to grind against Islam will always insist that Islam equals violence. And we pity the mentality of such idiots.

    - MENJ
     
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    How fun, when your pals link to the Christo-fascist websites, you have no problems with it. And when I link to Islamic websites, they are "fascist" websites. The incredulity is amazing.

    - MENJ
     
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    Do you know what hitler called his book,well it was "my struggle"
    It shows that some muslims have the same mentality.
     
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    Glory be to God for what they associate with Him, verily they are those who disbelieve and blaspheme when they say "God has a Son".

    Ameen.

    - MENJ
     
    Ibn Juferi, Sep 30, 2006 IP