It is just your thinking.... in my opinion Muslims are bravest Nation! Anyways! I will enjoy Eid with Family & Friends Traveling also
Since I didn't write the post (that's my husband's blog, not mine), I really have no idea whom are you referring to. Besides, you are taking my husband's post out of its context since it was made in light of the current Israeli occupation of the OPT.
Do you or do you not agree that Muslims and Nazi's are pretty darn similar in thinking? And, do you accept that you're dumb enough to call someone a Nazi when there was nothing Nazi in his thinking? BTW - Menj, well done, you're not just an expert in dumb, but also an expert at virtual cross-dressing.
Typing in fancy new jargon is not going to make your brethren less of Jew haters. Now, let's circle back to your initial statement about Will.Spencer being a neo-Nazi. Can you please elaborate on how you came to that conclusion? I've already elaborated in detail about why people like you are no different from the Nazis.
I wish you also read the next ayaat 8:61: But if they are inclined to peace, make peace with them, and have trust in God, for He hears all and knows everything.
There is still something fundamentally wrong with the Islamic version of the Allah God. Why would a god first want to chop all non-believers and offer peace as a compensation if they heed to the Islamists wishes. BTW - Ayaat 8:61 contradicts 8:60. Is your Allah god that confused? I thought your god was ultimate and infallible.
Yes, but if you include the full context of verse 59 you realize that the only way that peace can be accepted is if the nonbelievers convert to Islam. 8:59 And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. 8:60 Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged. 8:61 And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower. This, of course, contradicts other portions of the Quran which say that nonbelievers can be allowed to live if they accept dhimmitude (slavery) under Islamic masters. Also humorous is the verse preceding those above, in which Muhammad approves of breaking any treat with non-Muslims because, hey, you should never trust non-Muslims anyway: 8:58 And if thou fearest treachery from any folk, then throw back to them (their treaty) fairly. Lo! Allah loveth not the treacherous.
Its not a "new jargon", its a logical fallacy of guilt by association. Much like what you are doing now. You mean like how he advocates (a) burning the Qur'an, like he blatantly states? Or what about (b) advocating the nuking of the whole Muslim world? Or maybe its (c) both? So why don't you ask him whether he did say both these things or not. I've already elaborated in detail about why people like you are no different from the other Spencer.
Surah 109: Al-Kafiroon (The Disbelievers, Atheists) In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful 1. Say : O ye that reject Faith! 2. I worship not that which ye worship, 3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, 5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 6. To you be your Way, and to me mine. ps: I did not start this thread with the intention to debate on/about Islam. If anyone of you is very serious about finding the truth, then pm me...we shall keep both our views and seek the truth, together. In this forum, in this thread to be precise, no non-believer will revert to islam, but only the haters will keep on insulting the religion...For the sake of humanity atleast, let's live in peace and harmony, even in dp
Tafsir (exegesis) of the context: (8:62) And should they seek to deceive you, Allah is sufficient for you. He it is Who strengthened you with His succour and the believers In international dealings Muslims should not act with timidity. They should rather have faith in God and should act with courage and bravery. However, as soon as the enemy is inclined to reconciliation, they should welcome the move and should not he reluctant to make peace even if they are unsure whether or not the enemy is sincere about peace, and whether or not he intends to use the settlement as a ruse to Commit later treachery. Since it is impossible to know the true intention of others, allowance should be made for their words. If the enemy is sincere in his offer of reconcoliation, the Muslims should not continue bloodshed because his sincerity, in their eyes, is suspect. On the contrary, if the enemy is insincere, the Muslims should have courage, thanks to their trust in God, and should go forth for reconciliation. They should stretch out the hand of peace in answer to the enemy's outstretched hand, for that is an index of their moral superiority. As for the hand of friendship which has been hypocritically stretched out in enemity, Muslims should have the strength to smash that hand to pieces. Bolded emphasis my own. Interesting to see that the tafsir does not say at all what Mr. Spencer wants it to say. Again from the same tafsir: According to the above verse, it is not lawful for Muslims to decide unilaterally that their treaty with an ally is annulled either because of their grievance that their ally did not fully observe the terms of the treaty in the past or on ground of the fear that he would treacherously breach it in the future. There is no justification for Muslims to make such a decision nor to behave as if no treaty bound the two parties. On the contrary, whenever the Muslims are forced into such a situation they are required to inform the other party, before embarking on any hostile action, that the treaty was terminated. This step is necessary in order that both parties are clear in their minds as to where things stand. Guided by this principle, the Prophet (peace be on him) laid down a basic rule of Islamic international law in the following words: 'Whoever is bound in treaty with a people may not dissolve it until either its term expires, or he flings it at them (i.e. publicly declares that it had been annulled).' (Abu Da'ud, 'Jihad', Babfi al-Iman yakunbaynaha al-'Aduw 'Ahad, vol. 2, p. 75; Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, vol. 4, pp. 111 and 113 - Ed.) The Prophet (peace be on him) further elucidated this by sayling: 'Do not be treacherous even to him who is treacherous to you' (Abu Da'ud, Kitab al-Buyu', 'Bab fi al-Rajul Ya'khudh Hakkahu man tahe Yadih', vol. 2, p. 260 - Ed.) Bolded emphasis my own. So Muslims are not allowed to dissolve a treaty, even if they suspect that it was made with treachery in mind. Wow, it is in totally the opposite direction of what Mr. Spencer wants it to say! Isn't that humourous how you get exposed for this?
This is a thread about Islam. The topic is a religion which was founded by a child molester, rapist, and murderer. How are you going to make that look clean?
What i always ponder about is that there is hardly any thread in which no one is fighting.Why not just value each other's perception.
Well, this is the P&R forum. To at least one major religion, that would be a sin: The Quran; Sura 9; Verse 29 - Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. Personally, I am intolerant of intoleration. I have that whole "not cooperating with religions that preach my enslavement and murder" thing pretty deep in my psychological DNA.
Cat bit your tongue after your silly misadventure with Qur'anic tafsir was exposed? Since you realised that you were cornered, you decided to descent into insults instead. How very typical of an immoral and uncivilised atheist. NB: Lies about the Prophet (PBUH) exposed here.
No matter how clear the Quran is, it seems you can always find someone with an agenda to provide a misinterpretation for you. Muhammad's child molestation, rapes, and murders are well documents by Islamic sources. Your on and off denial of them is quite humorous. Let's play the game again. Are you now denying or admitting that Muhammad "thighed" Aisha when she was six (i.e. rubbed his penis through her thighs until he ejaculated) and vaginally penetrated her when she was nine?
You are one ignorant person... You speak like you have read the entire quran and the tafsir (the correct interpretation) and quote shit here. You just google some cherry picked Quranic verses and quote them here. I would be mroe interested in deebating with you if you have had actually read the holy quran and were still not satisfied with the peaceful religion of Islam...you are amongst those ignorant masses who cherry pick a verse or two without knowing the entire 'background' behind it, as you MIGHT know, quran wasn't revealed as a whole, specific verses were revelaed to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) at various situations. so, Will.Spencer, next time you quote verse 29 of surah 9 or any other such cherry picked verse, first read the entire situation it was revelaed in and then debate (althouh you wont find anythign to argue after that) but still... Here: Read this up! And don't forget to read the verse 256 of Surah 2 .. NO COERCION IN ISLAM. They say, HALF KNOWLEDGE or HALF TRUTH IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN A LIE Also about Al Qaeda and other terrorists group....what if I go on molest children and rape girls and loot the banks and do all kinda evils and say im a christian )or any other religion for that matter), will you then judge Chrisitian as a bad religion??? THESE TERRORIST GROUPS ARE NOT MUSLIMS, THEY'RE METHODS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM. Them groups give you the wrong conception about islam...Those groups are sinners to kill innocent people (non muslims). ps: If you are a sensible man, and are not debating just for the heck of it but to actually know what islam is all about, enough has been said for you, Will. However if you are an ignorant illiterate person, insulting islam just for fun, you willcome back with the nuttiest replies and I will not dignify it with a reply. Also, if you don't accept the truth now (or seek it for that matter), you will one day (end of life) will know about it the hard way, and I'm afraid it'd be too late to repent then. I suggest you to cool down and go through all religions for your own sake...if you not find islam the best and most sensible one, settle for whichever you think it is. I repeat, These TALIBAN and AL-QAEDA groups aren't muslims..they are defaming Islam! Why can't the populace understand that? All these shit is powered my the US and ISRAEL..why were all the jews on a holiday when the WAT was hit?? CMON!! OPEN UP YOUR EYES!! YOU ARE BEING SHOWN WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO SEE. THE MEDIA, the INTERNET,etc everything is controlled. You are like a puppet...go read up on Taleban's history, it was formerly created by the US and they trained in the US army camps! They are very smart...they make these groups kill people and make them say that they are muslims so that people like you think Islam is not the religion of peace! ....hooof peace out