I don't wanna be a felon :S

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by kc3, Aug 9, 2006.

  1. danielbruzual

    danielbruzual Active Member

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    #61
    Just be sure that if you go to jail that the wrong word doesn't get spread and cons think that you are a child molester, they don't treat them well in any prison of the world.
     
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  2. Danny

    Danny Active Member

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    #62
    this has "fake" written all over it.

    But the steps I would take would be

    1 - Stop putting anything about it here or online, delete or edit all your posts ANYWHERE in regards to it. Kind of like defamation, if you talk about it in anyway, even denial, is enough for admission of guilt

    2 - Get a lawyer, tell them everything you can, but only answer the questions they ask! This is very very important. You should always only answer the questions a lawyer asks you, whether in court or in consultation. Only go deeper if they ask you to. The simple reason is, that if you tell them something extra, they can no longer deny it for you, even if it doesnt seem like that much to you, it is sometimes enough for them to legally be obliged to mention it.
    The basic idea is plausable denial. If you are guilty and they ask you point blank if you are, then tell them you are and answer the questions they ask you. They will then decide whether to fight for a lesser sentence or fight for getting you off. You will basically have two choices and by now you should already know them.

    They may be saying Plead guilty and get a lenient sentence
    or
    Plead not guilty and take it to court.

    Basically I think the whole story is complete and utter BS. The girl would have had to have made a compaint or her parents for this to even be going to court and the story you have described would get probation at worst!
     
    Danny, Aug 15, 2006 IP
  3. kc3

    kc3 Peon

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    #63
    I know, even if I was guilty I do think it's unfair that I'd have to pay for it for the rest of my life and she got grounded for a couple weeks. What had happened was there was some msn conversations that "supposedly" came from me and her parents gave the logs to the cops. Anyways, I'm not going any further into it since Danny is right, though I cannot edit most of my posts anymore so it's sort of stuck that way :S I didn't want to exactly say what it was earlier because I didn't wanna get it all into a legal thing going, I wanted to keep it purely emotional support.

    Thanks Danny for your advice. :) And DanielBruzual, also thanks for your advice, yeah, I know they don't like them in prison because my dad works at one. He's a correctional officer and a pastor. It's crazy what's going on and it's making a huge affect.
     
    kc3, Aug 15, 2006 IP
  4. ExoticCarSite.com

    ExoticCarSite.com Active Member

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    #64
    Wouldn't your charges be "carnal knowledge" and "statutory rape"?
     
    ExoticCarSite.com, Aug 16, 2006 IP
  5. yfs1

    yfs1 User Title Not Found

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    #65
    Since you don't seem to take this serious.



    Thats from your profile here at DP which links you, Kenneth, to all of your admissions and bravado in this thread

    From that your address is visible
    Cluck, Kenneth
    112 Randall Dr
    Orofino, Idaho 83544
    United States
    (208) 476-4994

    and from that I can tell a close relative is involved in local politics etc

    From that we get to Rob's post which shows a history of disregard for sexual matters.

    You came into this thread worrying about a felony conviction and after people that know better gave you advice to shut up and deal with it privately through your lawyer...Instead you taunt the people trying to help you.

    You had sexual contact with a minor which you admitted in this thread so even if all of the evidence is thrown out, your admission on this thread can be used against you. With all the info contained here, the prosecution can easily request that the IP also be provided therefore linking the postings in this thread to your computer. They can then get an order for your new computer and prove you made the actual posts.


    Either you aren't actual facing a felony (which Im starting to think) or you are really stupid.

    Get smart, leave this thread alone and take care of your business!
     
    yfs1, Aug 16, 2006 IP
  6. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

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    #66
    I'd bet on this one.
     
    fryman, Aug 16, 2006 IP
  7. Pixel Dynamics

    Pixel Dynamics Active Member

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    #67
    Its interesting how much info one can obtain for somthing as simple as a IP address or a e-mail.

    Its not hard to go to www.whois.com (or somthing similar). Pop in a IP address and get a guys full name and address.

    From there its not hard to find pictures and furthur information on a given person.

    I think we should all be careful what we write, and upload to the internet. Even more so important to anyone underage.

    Its a scary place, there is such people who can take total control of a computer from a single IP address.

    Regards,
    - Nick
     
    Pixel Dynamics, Aug 16, 2006 IP
  8. MattUK

    MattUK Notable Member

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    #68
    Damn, if this was me facing these charges I'd be doing everything in my power to get this thread removed.
     
    MattUK, Aug 16, 2006 IP
  9. yfs1

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    #69
    In this case he didn't use a free email so you can tell his domain. He also used his initials in his user name so that further verified the whois

    Once you have a name and address its actually scary the amount of info available.

    A quick search of Google News also brings up all kinds of info.
     
    yfs1, Aug 16, 2006 IP
  10. yfs1

    yfs1 User Title Not Found

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    #70
    If KC takes it seriously and PMs me (taking it seriously is taking the advice of making his email private and not posting in this thread anymore) I will edit my posts to remove any info I posted.

    I think he has 8 hours.
     
    yfs1, Aug 16, 2006 IP
  11. mcfox

    mcfox Wind Maker

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    #71
    You're deluding yourself, kid. Head in the sand stuff going on with you. You need to get serious and realistic and do it quick.

    There are angry, angry parents behind this - do you think they are going to let it go? Not a chance!

    Speaking as a parent myself, I can tell you they won't be very forgiving - and I personally, am a laid back parent with a pragmatic and realistic attitude. Imagine then, how parents with a more sheltered and protective attitude are going to feel.

    I'm fairly certain that these alleged chats were somewhat graphic and probably rather lurid - any parent confronted by something like this is going to freak for two reasons: one, they probably had no idea that their daughter was sexually active and two; they are going to see you as an adult taking advantage. You may be young but you're a young adult and their little, baby girl is still a vulnerable child. Get the picture?

    Geeze kid. You've landed in the big pond of adulthood but still think your age will protect you somehow. It may mitigate the circumstances a little but it won't provide the shield it used to do.

    You really need to get some adults around you that can fend off the sharks.

    Yes I found your myspace. Actually, no, I didn't look up your email on myspace. I was digging on Google.
    That is NOT going to wash as a defence, so you better rethink your strategy and rethink it quickly.

    That computer they confiscated, the one on which you allegedly groomed an underage girl for sex; do you think it was two rednecks with a couple of beers that examined it? Or do you think, as I do, that it was thoroughly examined using forensic techniques to retrieve all of the data?

    Like I said earlier - you need to get serious and get focused and do it quickly. Bullshit excuses like you are trying to lay down aren't gonna cut it. They really aren't.

    You wanted support. Well, you're getting it in this thread. From adults who swim in the big pond and know what really goes on - and they are trying to help you with realistic advice.

    If you want 'poor you' emo crap, stick to myspace. If you want to save yourself some serious jail time and being sold as a sex-slave between gangs, carefully re-read this thread and make a point of implementing what you need to in order to stay out of prison.

    This is serious and it is real. Your tender years will do little, if anything, to protect you from its impact. They will, however, make you a prized commodity in prison.
     
    mcfox, Aug 16, 2006 IP
  12. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #72
    I think he's done a runner..
     
    BRUm, Aug 16, 2006 IP
  13. mcfox

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    #73
    I had to quote this particular part. I wasn't going to but it's been bugging me since he obviously isn't grasping the full reality of his situation.

    KID!!! KC3!!!!!! DON'T YOU F****** GET IT?!?!

    Firstly, YOU are the sole provider of information in this thread. YOU. A couple of us had a rummage around to make the point that YOU really should take steps to stfu and get some really, really good legal counsel.

    What did you do? Blurted out more information for f*** sake! You also admitted that snippet I posted came from your myspace account. I purposefully posted only enough so YOU would know exactly what I was talking about but no-one else would.

    YOU think you're dealing with idiots by way of the prosecutors and police. You're not. They might be, but you're not.

    Your monitor, keyboard and mouse were taken to safeguard the chain of evidence and to stop you from claiming it must have been someone else who used your computer for the msn chats. Get it? YOUR prints only. PROOF that no-one else used your computer. Chain of evidence: keyboard > mouse > monitor > computer > msn > chats > felony charges

    Now, as many people have tried to tell you already: STFU, remove any information you can and get really good legal representation. If you are lucky and your lawyer is good, you might get off with a slap on the wrist. If you keep on thinking like a child in this most adult of worlds (e.g. - she only got grounded for a couple of weeks) you are going to find yourself in a bad, bad place.

    Now please, take the advice you've been given and ACT on it, even the stuff you don't like reading.
     
    mcfox, Aug 16, 2006 IP
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  14. kc3

    kc3 Peon

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    #74
    The charges were dropped, just thought I'd update you guys
     
    kc3, Sep 27, 2006 IP
  15. lordmenace

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    #75
    Good to hear you weren't caught by jail bait.
     
    lordmenace, Sep 27, 2006 IP
  16. KingSEO

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    #76
    Congratulations. Sounds like a sensible decision from the land of the free.
     
    KingSEO, Sep 27, 2006 IP
  17. kc3

    kc3 Peon

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    #77
    Thank you, I'm so relieved to know this is off my chest.
     
    kc3, Sep 27, 2006 IP
  18. mcfox

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    #78
    Cheers for the update. I hope you have learned some lessons, especially the one about steering clear of jailbait.
     
    mcfox, Sep 28, 2006 IP
  19. dotcomguy

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    #79
    congrats, I bet its a weight off your mind,

    My advice is next time you get horny.... ask for ID
     
    dotcomguy, Sep 28, 2006 IP
  20. EasyMarketer

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    #80
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    Ahh and he was waiting for you :p
     
    EasyMarketer, Sep 28, 2006 IP