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showing someone porn is a felony in the US :O

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by zodiac, Aug 13, 2010.

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    Senate candidate Alvin Greene indicted on obscenity charges:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-greene-20100814,0,5633850.story
    i agree doing that is wrong,but facing 5 years and felony record seams a bit harsh.
    seams to me that someone wants to end his political career before it starts.

    Tip for you kids out there:
    not a good way to pick up chicks. ;-)
     
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    For some reason I don't think his political career was going too far anyway.
     
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    How is that any worse than exposing yourself to someone? He probably wont get 5 years, but as a maximum sentence for making someone view obscene material against their will it's fair.

    It sounds like he wanted to end his political career before it starts, what an asshole.

    Judging by this video the guy is borderline mentally disabled.
    [video=youtube;ntlp4fTell4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntlp4fTell4[/video]
     
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    It does seem completely bonkers. You can 'accidentally' watch porn by flipping through channels on your remote control. You can 'accidentally' watch porn by not reviewing the content of every movie you see before you see it. You can 'accidentally' watch porn by going to an art museum. You can 'accidentally' watch porn in Google Image Search. People need to lighten the fuck up.

    This all goes back the the truly insane idea that human bodies are evil. This is a core base of the beliefs underlying both Christianity and Islam. They began focusing on the afterlife as good and the natural logical conclusion was that this life was evil. They eschew pleasure for pain and happiness for suffering. That is some seriously broken thinking and it is frighteningly popular.
     
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    But it's not illegal to accidentally see porn, or even to show someone porn. What's illegal is to deliberately show someone obscene images against their will.

    It's more of a cultural thing. For whatever reason, people consider certain parts of the human body to be different to others. For instance, if i see your wife drop an umbrella and gave it back to her with my naked hand you would view it differently than if i see her drop and umbrella and pulled my penis out screaming "look at it!". We can pretend that we don't buy in to this idea that a naked body, or more specifically "obscene images", can cause offence, but in reality we do - we all do.

    Of course this is completely ignoring his motives. The guy is scum and a retard and what he done is rightly illegal.
     
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    If this guy deserves a jail sentence, then so does Google for showing me porn in the Google Image Search results.
     
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    Is it applicable to male alone ? else if someone's dress slips in public place will she also be prosecuted under same law ?
     
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    You honestly think it's the same thing? Seriously, you consider finding porn on a search engine who make every effort to prevent that content being shown to people who don't want to see the same as deliberately showing someone obscene images against their will?

    If they deliberately expose themselves to people who don't want to see it, yes.

    You can tell the validity, or otherwise, of someones argument from the flawed comparisons they attempt to draw.
     
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    I think it was completely inappropriate. From what I've read, Greene says he wants an apology from that 18 yr. old girl for calling the police! She was scared. What a creep. I'm glad he won't be in politics. I'm not sure that he really needs to go to jail, but I do believe professional counseling/probation would probably be a good idea.
     
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    i do not see him forcing her or showing her the porn, in the quote, just asking her to look at it.
    he does deserve an apology but from the Prosecutors in Richland County
     
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    What's a reasonable penalty for showing someone porn who doesn't want to see it? $100 fine? A night in jail?

    Five years and a felony record -- get real.
     
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    he didn't even show her the porn, she asked her to watch it. atleast that is what the quote say
     
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    Most other sources say he "showed" her the obscene material. He is being charged with "communicating obscene materials to a person without consent", that suggests he didn't just ask if she wanted to see some.

    Maximum sentences always account for the most extreem cases. For instance, fraud carries a maximum sentence of life. You won't get that for selling someone a broken toy train set though and he wont get 5 years.
     
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    i am not following the stupidity in the richland county. but the quote above did not say that. i do not know what does it mean he showed her. did he forced her to sit and watch it? was he watching it and she saw it? did he say hey look at bugs bunny and the porn was on?
     
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    And when are we hauling Janet Jackson to prison for showing her nasty old titty at the Superbowl? :p
     
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    Well you can feel free to pick and chose your sources based on whether they support the conclusion you have already come to, be warned it does nothing for the credibility of your argument though.

    I'm not going to pretend i believe you when you claim you don't know what "showed her" means, but for clarity it means to have deliberately exposed her to it.
     
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    how? what has he exactly done? people can choose what to watch. how did he take that choice away from her?
     
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    By deliberately putting it in a location where it will be seen by her, like in front of her or on a screen which she assumed would contain no porn, with he specific intention of making her eyes point towards it, thus transmitting the light emitted or reflected by it to strike her retina and be interpreted by her brain as an image. Is that explained it in sufficiently simple and exhaustive terms for you? Or is there another angle you'd like to try that gives the impression that you don't understand a term as simple as "showed her"

    I wonder if you'd still claim people can't be shown something against their will if it was your wife of your children. I guess this "playing dumb" act only comes in handy when you think not understanding helps your argument.
     
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    look, the article say that the prosecutor claims he asked her to watch porn. it does not say he showed her porn. now lets assume if he was watching porn on a monitor and she peaked to see what he was doing then he has not done anything wrong. she should have not peaked at his screen, maybe he was paying his bills and had her cc number on the screen. she can not complain about that.
    but if he put the porn on the 40 inch in the waiting room, then that is a different story. although i do not see 5 years for that either.
     
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    There would be no criminal case if she inadvertently see porn that he was watching, at least not for what he is being charged with. I don't think anyone, even you, believes for a second that that is what happened. Especially considering that what he is being charged with is "communicating an obscene message to another person without consent" - that's the charge - The specific crime - He is accused of communicating an obscene message without consent. it's illegal and i'm glad it's illegal.

    Me either, but then, i have already explained what a "maximum sentence" is and why they exist, so let's not go over old ground.
     
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