Are atheist liberals a dying breed?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Nerz, Sep 25, 2006.

  1. mistermix

    mistermix Active Member

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    #41
    As somebody who is aware that the existence of god is just a delusion, I hate all religions equally.

    I do not hate people who are religious. I just hate the idea of religion. I hate the way people have blind faith without being able to rationalise their beliefs in some tangible way that actually has some connection with the world.

    There are billions of billions of planets in our universe, I wonder if there is one god per planet? Imagine that, more gods than humans!;)
     
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  2. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #42
    Young angry males often think they are above God when they are young. They often think they in particular, know more than the average person. Is that something you have difficulty with, or do you feel right at home with it?
     
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  3. eXe

    eXe Notable Member

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    #43
    "You must spread some Reputation arround before giving it to mistermix again"
     
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    eXe Notable Member

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    #44
    I request that you please do not degrade this thread to one involving agism.
     
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  5. mistermix

    mistermix Active Member

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    #45
    What an honour.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #46
    My bad, I didn't realize the shoe fit on you as well. :D
     
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    eXe Notable Member

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    #47
    Feeling clever? Why not go call the next black person you see "nigger" as well, it's very funny! Really, it is!:rolleyes:

    Anyone who makes comments that contain agism when it has nothing to do with the discussion is really the one who needs to grow up.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #48
    I hadn't considered the word clever. "Fiesty" would describe my current mood. May I offer you some bottled milk? :p
     
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    #49
    Feisty* :p

    Don't drink & post:D
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #50
    Well there is only ONE God and He created all the planets including the ones we can't see yet.

    I have faith, but it isn't all blind, much of my faith has grown since God does wonderful things in my life. One thing you will want to poo-poo is healing and I have experienced a healing miracle in my life - my wrists were healed of carpoltunnell about 9 years ago! You can't take that away from me and it did build my faith, (I can't wait to hear that I must of been delusional or brainwashed into believing it happened. lol)
     
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    #51
    Rand was far too idealistic, and sometimes confused idealism with practicality. Her depth on some issues were great, and others were poor; but essentially I think she was an intellectual giant.
     
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    #52
    Can you please explain how the healing of your carpoltunnell problem is linked to the existence of a god?
     
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  13. Nerz

    Nerz Well-Known Member

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    #53
    Mmm have I spawned a monster? I feel so proud :)

    I dont have a problem with religious people, just those that:

    a) are in a position of political power and attempt to force there religious beliefs on the masses under the veil of "policy". Using there religious beliefs as the measuring stick of policy, rather than sound judgement and logic. I personally believe in strickly secular politics in the western world. Elsewhere thats there business. Why the entire western world and not just my own country? Because what Dubwa does effects what his lapdog does as well. In a modern, highly multicultural democracy, such as the U.S, Canada, U.K, Australia etc...a strict seperation of church and state is a MUST, its the only way to create sound policy for all. So much so I feel the political donations by religious groups should be published regularly and made highly visible.

    b) people who treat other people like lepers simply because they dont believe in the same god, or dont believe at all.

    c) people that aggressively push there religion onto others through mind manipulation or physical violence.

    The average christian or jew or muslim going about there daily business is not an issue for me. I have no hate, hate is such a powerful negative emotion that you simply cant allow your soul to be consumed by it. Theres nothing positive at the end of that road.
     
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    #54
    God healed me.

    Or is that too simple or too complex to understand?

    (Just in case you don't - no doctor did any surgery, cutting, medication, exercise - nothing. I heard that it was time from God and I went to a man that prayed with me and God healed me - then and there.... boo... probably scared you to think that I acknowledge God for healing me.)
     
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    Nerz Well-Known Member

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    #55
    I believe pray for religious people can create some very positive emotions. Thats not something id deny. Mind over matter as such, its that strength and will of the mind that cured you. Its been proven many times that the mind under the right set of conditions, the right mindset, in tune with the body, is capable of incredible things. Buddhists believe that radiating love and goodwill can help cure also. Thats like somebody praying for you.

    My 2c
     
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    #56
    There are 3 possibilities:
    1. You are lying to defend your stand.
    2. You actually wishfully think that god did heal you.
    3. God did in reality heal you but there is no proof to this other than your claims, therefore it is not credible & not to be accepted as an actual event.
    I think it is #2.
     
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    mistermix Active Member

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    #57
    So basically, something good hapened and you just assumed it was because of god?
     
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    #58
    It's a faith, not a theory...thus there's no need to proving anything.

    People always try to pass the scientific methods around, but scientist don't pervert their time trying to disprove that which they have no valid means of proving or disproving...atleast the ones that have an objective agenda.

    Just because things are not proven doesn't mean they don't exist. There's many things that were thought of as incorrect...and were unprovable till technology and new methods/information could verify such. What I dislike about the above mentality is the overall arrogance and pervertion of science. Science is based on numeral methods/standards of confirming knowledge, not asserting knowledge out of negatives. No scientist recognizes that as a standard of their methodology. Even pragmaticism which requires empirical real-world models of reference doesn't imply that if one can't produce something on earth that such things are not possible...it merely requires furthers model, knowledge, and time to confirm.

    A geniune scientist would refer to the existence of god as a belief, and leave it at that...because he'd have no geniune means to assert anything, but that it was a belief. That's scientific neutrality...but once someone asserts something past that, they have to base that on something. Since man's experience is limited to his knowledge, it's arrogant to say one understands the universe. Hell, we don't even know much of anything about 95% of the universe's elements [refer to dark matter/energy...moreso dark energy].

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    Man is wildly ignorant, and until we understand the very functioning of this universe, I'll proudly say with great objectivity--, 'I don't know'.
     
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    #59
    Rick_Michael,

    Faith that can not be proven = invalid. And in my personal opinion, stupid. If it can be proven then you won't have to label it as "faith" anymore. What I dislike about the believer's mentality is his/her willingness to accept something as valid without evidence!

    I don't claim to understand "the universe" & I don't think any human being does entirely either.

    Let me restate this in case you did not read it properly:
    The unbelievers don't need to disprove anything to you. YOU are making the claim, and therefore YOU need to prove it in order for it to be considered valid. Ofcourse you can continue to believe it for yourself while calling it "faith", like children that believe in santa claus or a lunatic that has an imaginary friend. If you choose the latter, then don't bring it into discussions with other people who are capable of rational thought.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #60
    You left out the obvious possibility...God healed him. I'll go with that. There's nothing more honorable than a man humbled in the presense of God and gives him credit for the great things that happen in our lives.
     
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