Why do liberals hate rich people?

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  1. math20

    math20 Peon

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    #41
    Yes they will decide, over 200 BILLION dollars are given each year to charities.

    And you can justify taking away peoples financial freedoms to possibly decrease crime a bit?

    Also, view this table and note that welfare(1935) has no long term effect.
     
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  2. noppid

    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    #42
    Why can't corporations just be expected to pay a fair wage? Why can't coporations just not hire illegals with perhaps a couple million dollar fine per incident be attached to prevent it?

    I'll suggest why, because they have found the new slave labor and had laws written to support it with american tax payer's dollars in too many cases.

    Why can't we outlaw the paid lobby?

    I bet you have some good reasons for those things not to happen?
     
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  3. Matsta

    Matsta Well-Known Member

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    #43
    yep one good reason for it:
    the CEO's get more $$$$$$
     
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  4. math20

    math20 Peon

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    #44
    Fair wage? That's awful vague and government enabling. A fair wage is what is being paid because both the employer and employee agree to it.

    First of all, no they don't. Second, so what? What is the matter with being paid a lot of money?
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #45
    So people in sweatshops being paid pennies is fair because they have no where else to work? :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Matsta

    Matsta Well-Known Member

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    #46
    If you make a way money without using poor people as a advantage but getting money that other people should be payed is bad. Very Bad :mad:
     
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  7. math20

    math20 Peon

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    #47
    Not because there is nowhere else to work but because they agree to work there. I have said this several times, increase your productivity and ask for a raise.

    Also, ask for help! There are many people and charities who will help you out if you ask them.

    Other people should be payed? They're entitled to it all of a sudden? What happened to personal responsibility?

    And also, hiring unskilled laborers is not an advantage; it is a way of business. If you have no skill you will be paid accordingly.
     
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    Matsta Well-Known Member

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    #48
    They could have skills but since the may not have enough money or resources they cant go to university meaning they are forced to be a laborer. If they had an oppuritunity they could make some more money
     
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  9. northpointaiki

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    #49
    I'd also like to see this link. I had always heard the reverse - that most wealthy in our land come from wealthy.
     
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    #50
    I'm sorry, I forgot to mention: I don't hate rich people. Most that I have known have had their money given them by rich parents and grandparents and taken that wealth to do something more, so I honor them for what they do.

    Simply, they're just so fucking weird.:D
     
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  11. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #51
    If only all Americans were as wealthy as liberals. Like john kerry who flew his personal hair stylist out on his jet during campaigning, with multiple mansions and SUVs while giving speeches about how Americans needed to conserve energy.

    Makes one wonder where the stereotyping that liberals are poor? I'd think the opposite. Why else would they be so snooty?
     
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  12. math20

    math20 Peon

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    #52
    Forced? Cant? Take some of the money for your labouring to buy a textbook and teach yourself a useful skill(web deign?). No one is forced to do anything, they may have to do it to make ends meet but the employer is not forcing anyone to work for them.

    I did post it, read the thread.
     
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  13. northpointaiki

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    #53
    Gtech has a point. There is nothing so repugnant to me as a self-described "liberal hippy" expending more dough on designer furnishings than I will see in the next several years, this while decrying my lack of across-the-board leftist agenda.

    Oh, and taken from a recent experience. Family kind of thing. But enough said.

    Still, because of what I do, I have known the super-rich (like, building American national landmarks kind of rich). And though they try, I find them an altogether different breed. My problem, really, not theirs, as they are kind enough to regularly invite me to their gatherings. But I think something must happen when you literally can satisfy any dreamed-up material want. That you can first dream it, and that you can then fulfill it, alters one's rootedness in a way I think I shall never now. (Hearst's 5-year old birthday wish: The Louvre. When his mamma said that was simply too much, he settled for a $600,000 tapestry from the museum as a paltry consolation).
     
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    #54
    Sorry, I missed it as I was looking for a link. I haven't read Millionaire Next Door in years. I will have to revisit.
     
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  15. Keith Taylor

    Keith Taylor Active Member

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    #55
    I always imagine being super-rich would be something akin to the feeling you get after you've completed a particularly taxing computer game. While you're trying to complete it you're engrossed. You can lose hours and even days trying to beat that boss, solve this puzzle, get a higher score, find the secret donut - whatever. The second you reach the end, though, suddenly the magic drains out. Once you've completed the game you can barely remember why you were so engrossed in the first place. The idea of going back and running through it again holds no appeal whatsoever.

    A poor analogy, I know (hey, it's 2:30AM - you do better :) ) but I imagine that feeling of ennui is a regular feature of the lives of the super rich. Where's the appeal in life when you've no doubt already figuratively gotten the highest score? While it'd be nice to have lots of money I wouldn't want to be rich enough to negate the possibility of looking forward to things. Most of the enjoyment of life, as they say, is in the anticipation.
     
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    #56

    Very well said. I wholly agree. Let me return the compliment, Keith, and say thank you for handing over your language to we cantankerous upstarts.:D
     
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    #57
    You're losing your right to the term 'libertarian', chief. Small government supporter...sure!?

    You're using a rather wide generalization (of a situation that involves many factors),... with false choses.
     
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  18. Keith Taylor

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    #58
    No problem. I like what you've done with it. The only problem with American English is the fact that I can no longer say that I would like to 'smoke a fag' in polite company without any Americans in the vicinity thinking I'd made a certain lifestyle choice :p
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #59
    yeah its about as repugnant as people who have been handed everything their whole lives and then look down on others who have not "made it"

    What is minimium wage now 5 or 6 bucks an hour, the idea that someone wants to pay another American less then that just seems asinine.

    Obviously the people who feel that way, I'm sure make more then miniumm wage

    Did you guys ever have to work at entry level minium or close to minimium wage jobs?

    I wonder if jesus would be for or against minimium wage?
     
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  20. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #60
    What's with the obcession with minimum wage? Who among us works for that? Who among us knows someone that works for it? Who among us owns a successful business and wants to pay a receptionist $75.00 an hour to answer a phone?

    Who wants to pay $300 for shoes? $4.00 for a head of lettuce? $12.47 per lb for tomatoes?

    America is the land of opportunity, not the land of guaranteed riches, $120,000 a year welfare checks and free handouts.

    I'm not rich, by any means, but I don't sit around blaming others for it. I made my choices in life. I accept responsibility for them.
     
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