I'm not a big believer in minimum wage laws. You don't really need them if you have a rational immigration policy.
Then they should, as I said before, increase their productivity and ask for a raise. If there is no monopoly then there can be no exploitation. People can make a choice to work here, there, or go on strike. What is the matter with a 60 hour work week? If you are willing to work that much then you should be able to, and exactly why can't employees negotiate this? You are whining about how the big mean company owners would try to exploit everyone if there wasn't minimum wage but I still don't understand how exploitation can exist with freedom of choice, please explain.
So you want to control the wages all companies can pay because a small minority of laborers might be payed unfairly because of there incompetence when it comes to the american economy?
I was being rhetorical, go back to the 6th grade and they will then direct you to the 5th grade where you can learn that.
I'm not sure I understand your question. I'll answer it in parts. I don't like the idea of controlling wages...period. On the other side of the spectrum, I realize that we're essentially subsidizing industries through illegal immigration. Forcing wages down in those industries, and quelling investment in mechanizing production. Ultimately these individuals have to realize we're heading towards a society based on technology and thus they need an education. Rational immigration is just a matter of how we can deal with new people in schools, services, and all infrastructure....whether it's a plus or minus to the equation.
Then why did you relate their requirement to illegal immigration? I don't like disagreeing with you Rick, I agree with you on most things but I'm a little confused on what you think about minimum wage.
Well, they are related. No one is going to work for the wages that subsidized immigration causes. In previous articles I've posted, wages rose from 30-40% after illegals were moved out of specific jobs. Minimum wage laws are greatly unnessary if you enforce immigration laws. Unfortunately the majority of dems (and some repubs) want their cake and wish to eat it as well. If I had the power I could flood any labor market with millions of people that would work for a dime an hour...doesn't make it sane (in wider context). But the moment that's actually the policy of the American government, then we're in trouble, because they're really screwing the average uneducated citizen from opportunities that are reasonable. I'm not talking about controlling markets (just so an uneducate person can get a job), I'm talking about looking at the whole picture, and making sure that ones not getting taxed for the benefit of another. Oh, I would love if you disagree with me....it helps bring objectivity, if the conversation is productive.
I meant that I want you to agree with me, not for me to agree with you. That is how debates are started. There should be an illegal immigrant check if you want to get a job? I shouldn't be able to do day to day activities without filing with the government? That is what you are suggesting with the illegality of hiring illegal immigrants and a minimum wage.
Please tell me why there shouldn't be a minimuim wage? Why do you care ? Unless you either employ people at minimium wage, or work for minimium wage. Do you think if someone is dumb as box of rocks, and only able to do the most menial of jobs , they should be homeless and starve? Even though they are working?
sounds like math20 runs a sweatshop and worried about having to pay his people that extra buck or two an hour. Do you employ illegals? if so Does the minium wage get in the way of paying the illegals even less, then you could?
Well, agreement isn't really necessary in debate. Current law actually prohibits one from 'knowfully' hiring illegal immigrants. I can't really answer the second question....I'd say even though I don't like the income tax, I would say a great deal of business activity is filed to the government yearly....proof of citizenship for workers is one of them (even though our gov sucks at enforcing that). I believe we should enforce workplace laws concerning immigration status, which would require that businesses report the indentification of THEIR workers. I do think our government is authorized in our Constitution to regulate immigration/naturalization laws. I do believe that while they're not perfect, they should be enforced.
I'm not black so I shouldn't care about slavery, right? Just because I am not directly affected by an issue doesn't mean I can't have a position. I feel that business owners should be given the same freedoms as business employees. No, but I also don't think businesses should be forced into the position of charity. If someone is as dumb as a box of rocks they will be more likely unemployed then working if there is a minimum wage and if enough dumb people get together as room mates they can afford an apartment. If two people aren't agreeing and one of them wants to talk the other one into agreeing with them, that is debate. Are they given the authority to make everyone proove that they are not illegal? Although it is currently necessary, employee/employer relationships and pay should not have to be filed with the government.
I assume employers love the idea that dumb as a rock low paid employees are able to get in social programs that american tax payers are forced to support to keep them here? What have employers done to ensure none of their employees have to live off of my back instead of being able to pay their own way without a handout from the goverment at my expense? I bet employers love the idea of section 8 housing that I pay for so they can have cheap labor. Nice stuff.
At any point in time and under every circumstance, I'd say no. Say there's a situation where a cop has an opportunity to ask,...some cities/regions prohibit such (lawful or not). Although Congress has full authority over federal means to take any legal step to avert that position e.g supreme court decesions, budget 'threats' or plain legislation. Federal requirement would still make it mandatory for employers to make records on IF their workers are legal residency or not. Without workplace enforcement, it would be incredibly hard to implement rational immigration policy. Are you against current immigration law?
So you want coporations to become charities and set up houses for poor people? Why should the government even do this? Why don't you pay for section 8 housing or, that's right, you want to help people with OTHER peoples money.
So you want to live a country where nobody helps anybody, nobody pays any taxes, the government and all it's programs magically fund themselves, and somehow keep a low crime rate.... keep dreaming because that's all it is
I want to live in a country where people help people, but they shouldn't be forced to by the government. Nobody should pay direct taxes, 20% of all taxes are indirect and that is enough to pay for defense. Let me quote the constitution, "No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken." Police are a local thing and if people vote to have them and pay for them then it is ok.
ahhh...that sounds magical delicious. I agree. Yo has a habit of not asking question before asserting things e.g 'So you want to live a country where nobody helps anybody' I really don't know how he could have gotten that from the comment you made.
So again.. you don't want poor or uneducated people to have any help from the government.. you think the rich and well off are just going to "decide" to help them It's nothing but an unreal dream. The less you help desperate people the more crime your going to have. So.. either pay taxes to help people and be more safe, or don't pay them and get murderred in your home for a few bucks... your choice