Very strong words by Netherland's politician Geert Wilders warning USA about Islam

Pick any protest topic... it's pretty common for organizers to prep posters in bulk to hand out as the faithful arrive.

Here's another shot or two of the same group, shots of similarly peacefully worded sentiments along the same lines.









Trying to assume the best of people is nice, but not if it includes ignoring reality. These protests do take place, these signs of hatred do get displayed. That doesnt mean all muslims agree with them, but it definitely isn't supportable action.

Sharia law is brutal and backward, and is inconsistent with ideals of freedom and individual equality that I consider important. I oppose having it imposed on any country or any person. I have no problem with them worshiping whomever they choose, I do draw the line at them trying to impose those beliefs on others.

 

I know the protests take place, I was just not sure of the photograph since I see the same design in the posters (big bold headline with a grey subtitle) in protests all over europe, though now I'm convinced that this is true but also that its the same organisations promoting these actions/events/ideas everywhere. Its unfortunate but we can't do anything about it as long as their protests are limited to holding out banners and shouting slogans. We must let them voice their opinions/demands peacefully in the spirit of free speech and democracy. Just like we let Catholics hold up stem cell research and protest abortions.

Though there are a lot of crazies in the world, BI still wonder how many of those protesters were paid and how many give a shit about sharia and will give up their lives fighting for it? Don't they have bills to pay and children to feed?

 

The death threats to whomever insults Islam / draws Mohammed / defaces their favorite book / etc get old. I thought Dan Quayle was a dork when he picked an argument with a fictional TV character, but these guys took his trophy when they started trying to kill people over cartoons.

Watching this video reminds me that people like TheGr4 are not just an internet aberration, but representative of a faction of islam that will treat whatever country they enter exactly like a cancer cell treats a lung.

[video=youtube;det7TUsLy8U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=det7TUsLy8U[/video]

Sadly... as shown in this search... there are a lot of guys like that. OTHER VIDEOS

 

Erm, I feel like answering this could be interpreted as being argumentative, but no - I guess if I had to break it down into percents I'd say about 30% were poor AND uneducated, 20% were poorish because they were on welfare, (we do have jobs here, but many people, immigrants and not, choose not to work - although I do know many can't for legitimate reasons too so I'm not going to speculate on that,) and 25/25 were either students or unemployed by choice living off some kind of money that didn't involve work - I don't know if it was parents or what.

I am aware that many poor and uneducated people do stupid things though, yes.

 

Hahha look at camera man at 1:43 his face is funny

 

He wasn't implying Islam was a country but more of a conquest. The pictures that rob posted illustrate an important point. When Muslims outnumber others in the country, they will simply demand rules and take over the country and turn it Islamic. Who knows what might happen? Would they stop building Churches and temples ?

Why do you think Middle-eastern countries do not give citizenships to foreigners?

 

It is sad. The guy in the first part of the video represents a sick subsection of Islam. It is people like him that create the perception all Muslims are terrorists. His overt support of "Capital punishment" for those who insult the prophet(PBUH) is not grounded in modern day Islam. We Muslims are a peaceful people and certainly more evolved than that. If Shariah were to be enforced in the UK, he would be tried for blasphemy against Islam before Geert Wilders ever would. At least Geert does not claim to be a Muslim. What a hypocrite!

 

First of all, Don't offend Muslims here by pretending to be a Muslim.

There is no such thing as "Modern day Islam". A religion should be applied equally at all times. Why do you consider the guy in the video a "sick subsection of Islam" ? Did he say anything wrong? He recited a verse from the Quran commanding anyone who curses a prophet to be killed. He is a follower of his commandment. Anyone who follows the Quran literally will say the same thing.

 

Don't offend me by pretending to be a Christian.

Well lets see. Its the modern day, and there is Islam. Any questions?

Are you as a would be christian telling me how to practice my religion?

Fear not my friend. I consider you part of a sick subsection of Christianity. As far as Muslims being obligated to kill because of a few outdated commands in the Qur'an, it is simply untrue. There are commandments in your bible that speak of slaughtering women and children in the name of god. Have you slaughtered women and children? It is possible to read the Qur'an without taking statements about killing unbelievers or beating your wife literally. Go spread your bizarre flavor of Christianity and anti-Islamic bigotry some place else.

 

I'm a Christian. You are an Atheist. Again, take off the phony mask and stop pretending to be someone else- It is very low.

So Islam & the Quran were different and applied differently back in the days than today's modern world? Is that what you're saying? Religion undergoes evolution ?

Outdated? So, the Quran needs to be updated to live up to your standards ? Is this your excuse?

Go ahead. Show me the verse that speak in slaughtering women and children in the name of God.

 

And you are a heretic pretending to be a christian spreading hatred.

Are you saying Christianity hasn't evolved?

No more than your book needs to be updated.

"And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them"
Leviticus 20:12

I guess that clears up the issue of my son's hot wife, right? Odd you weren't familiar with this verse.

Just did. I find it shocking how little you know about the book's history, or Christianity as a whole. I find it odd that you would spread false bible teachings. You should know, heresy carries the penalty of death.

"there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."
2 Peter 2:1

"And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
Revelation 22:19


A few hundred years ago, you would have been burned at the stake for your words by the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

 

LOL

"Where is your democracy now? Let him come out, let the police go home. Give him to Muslims for just 2 minutes so we can show him our way of justice, where is your democracy now?"

LOL

 

I would challenge you to quote one hatred statement that I have posted on this forum. If there is anyone spreading hatred, disrespect, ignorance and immaturity, you'd be #1 on the list.

Again, every time I ask you a question and you fail to answer, you point the finger towards Christianity. "What about this and what about that?"
The words of God are clear and remain the same no matter what happens.

I am familiar with it but are Christians today following the old testament or the new testament? The rules were strict and it did involve shedding of blood and animal sacrifice. God's Punishment on those who committed sin was harsh because the old testament was a preparation for the first coming of Jesus, the son of God and the beginning of the new testament without the shedding of blood because God sacrificed his son.
I would love to tell you more about the contrasting difference between both the old and new testament but i know you'll have nothing more to say.

Enlighten me with your misinterpretation of the bible. So, you got me two verses from the new testament. Where do they command murder?
The first one was to warn the followers of God about false teachings which happened a lot after Jesus' first resurrection.
The second verse was also to warn anyone who alters any word from the bible will not enter heaven. Fair enough?


And I find it shocking that you still do not understand words clearly but you'd rather interpret them according to your own fantasy.

 

What does that really mean? I hear this quite frequently, and it seems strange. The Muslim population is what, 5% in Europe? Even in France, which is supposedly the highest population of Muslims, is about 8%?

I think many Muslims believe in the return of the 12th Imam, and that they believe he will convert or kill all the infidels, and then rule by sharia law for an era.

Yes, I believe that's true. Lots of hatred and violence in the Quran. It should have a warning disclaimer on it.

From what I've read in the Quran, I don't quite agree. However, many fundamentalist Muslims insist that it does.

Islam could gain major influence in Europe through migration, if they allow it to happen.

It seems that the "multicultural" politically correct are voluntarily giving up their freedom of speech rights in order to appease Muslim demands.

I think it is, just as Scientology is a religion, for example.

If Europe stopped "Mass immigration from Muslim countries" it would certainly be within their rights. There is no "entitlement" for someone to be accepted by any country for immigration. However, I certainly don't see the US ever deciding to determine immigration eligibility based on religion.

 

Are you saying that your God fucked up in the first book and then corrected it in the second book? But did your gay prophet actually confirmed that he is not going to change any laws from old testament?
What is more interesting is the fact that if your God is so powerful, why don´t he kill the sinners himself and instead need to instruct men to kill other men? Is your God a pus*y and afraid of doing the dirty job himself?

 

How can a religion that refers to me as a "pig" or a "monkey" be true? Did G-d not create all humans to be equal regardless of the way they believe in him?

 

When you become a man and show some respect, you can get some answers. In the mean time, go find some dirty place to trash.

 

not definitly! lol
wilders knows way of rise hatred. this is that verse he mentioned:
Chapter 5: AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE)
say: 'people of the book, do you blame us for any reason other than that we believe in allah and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down before us, and that most of you are evildoers? ' (59)
say: 'shall i tell you who will receive a worse recompense from allah than that? those whom allah has cursed and with whom he is angry, and made some of them apes and swine, and those who worship the� devil. the place of these is worse, and they have strayed further from the right path. ' (60)

 

thanks Robjones for photos and sources.
but have a question, are they representative of Muslim in Europe? you can count them by your fingers.
just look at these handful protesters, I think they aren't deserve to stay in Europe anymore. so scary face they have! Even if I saw them in my place will runaway without hesitate. they looks like Taliban Jihadi I guess!

I think Muslims men and women who are involved for porn in Europe are a lot more than those assh**** in above pictures.
care to share their photos, maybe if you see those hot Muslim women in Europe then scare of other thing off Muslim immigrants.

glad to read your posts. so promising I think.

 

I already quoted it, but since you missed it, here it is again:

Your implication here is that Islam cannot evolve away from those who would use it for evil purposes like Christianity did. No, I'm not going to link the volumes of historical information showing your beloved Christians burning people at the stake for reading the bible, or refusing to confess to various sins. I'm not going to go through the enslavement of uneducated native populations at the hands of the church. If you really have no idea what I am talking about, you must live under a rock. Use Google. Some words you might try out: Heresy. Inquisition. Crusades. Burning at the stake. Printing of the Bible.

Educate yourself.

If they are so clear, how is it you've managed to misinterpret them so badly? Tell me again about that other dimension foretold in the bible?

Perhaps fair enough for you, though as a heretic, your interpretation of the bible is different than many other Christians. When you take the bible as a whole, new testament and old testament, there are definitely commands to kill people in there, as I've demonstrated. Oh sure, you are going to give me your interpretation and claim that the necessity to kill people is eliminated by the new covenant, but I have 1000 years of post new testament history with the Catholic church murdering people, and Catholics and Protestants killing each other to prove many did not read it the way you claim to. Your argument is with historical fact, not me.

As a Muslim, I personally do not care that your beliefs are heretical to Chrstian dogma. I don't care if you've decided to take up worshiping trees on the winter solstice. That you engage in pagan fertility rights, idolizing rabbits who lay eggs does not concern me in the slightest. I am focused on my beliefs, my god, and my prophet(PBUH).

Good point Babak. The problem is, they claim to represent Islam, and for that all Muslims must speak out and say, "They don't represent us!". As long as they are the only voices heard, not only will non-Muslims believe they really are the voice of Islam, other Muslims will believe it too and their numbers will grow.

Here is a recent example of what happens when people who hate gather to promote ethnic based hatred in America:

[video=youtube;88N1w03vkMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88N1w03vkMM[/video]

You'll notice the crowd of counter protesters shouting, "Fuck white power" has many white people. Muslims in the UK should organize a counter protest every time these would be Muslims come out asking for violence against Geert, or anyone else they dislike.