Is online streaming videos legal?

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by bridgetkfisher, Jun 27, 2010.

  1. #1
    is it legal to stream movies online? i use software that is legal to do so. There is maybe 7-10 people on at a time. small group of us. None of the movies are new and none are cams. I dont get any money out of it and there is no advertising. most of my movies we watch are old. I dont know if its legal or not. their not stored and cant be downloaded.

    or what if i streamed what I am watching on hulu a free movie site? would that be legal?
     
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  2. alexispetrov

    alexispetrov Peon

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    It still isn't legal - sorry :(
     
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    Nope. It's completely, 100% illegal.
     
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    YugoSlavac Well-Known Member

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    Well, if you're going to actually record the video or upload the video on your server then that's illegal. But I don't really see anything wrong with having links towards another website.
     
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    As long as you are linking to the legitimate source and not some warez, torrent, P2P, file sharing version of it.
     
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    YugoSlavac Well-Known Member

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    Well, yeah.. I was talking about a site like megavideo.
     
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    alexispetrov Peon

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    Steaming the movies IS illegal from ANY site legitimate or not.

    Linking to the site, like just posting a link to it - is OK.
     
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  8. bridgetkfisher

    bridgetkfisher Peon

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    i see there is debate and confusion, while no sources are sited.
    judging by the reactions here i would say,
    for now at least its better to be safe then sorry and not do it.
    Until there is a case heard on the matter to give us our freedom we are stuck with debating semantics and opinions which are not a rule of law.
     
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    If you do a search you will find plenty of evidence that it is illegal to even link to a site that supplies the illegal viewing.
     
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    There is really no confusion or debate. It is pretty much common knowledge that you can't stream other people's material. You can link to it, embed it ( if the option is given) but you cannot take it and redistribute it in any way without permission.
    Plenty of stuff since the 90's to support this.
     
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    It is not legal - except, if you are as big as google is. Then you can do anything you want. A small fry like you - then it is not legal.
     
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    if for example only streaming is still allowed, but if you do a duplication on youtube with your id it is an illegal act
     
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    ^^ very much sums it up.

    legally it all depends on where your web hosting , servers are and where you reside , the laws of your country and and laws of your hosting are the only 2 things which matter. for example it is perfectly legit to stream, link upload, copy righted material from certain countries like Spain , Netherlands , and some other parts of E.U , and also Asia, till you are not profiting by it , you can run ads and and take donations for server and hosting costs, but you cannot sell 'leech' slots for viewing, that way you are profiting of some else work and that kinda sucks too ethically also.

    but you mentioned HULU you i guess you are stateside which means you cannot do any of above with out getting taken down for sure and getting sued too . unless and until the stream you are linking is hosted by copy right holders permission and you get a safe harbor they call it if you have DMCA take notice on your site and pull down any material if you get a DMCA notice .

    we have have to wait and watch if the recent google vs vivacon ruling will apply to all streaming site like youtube or not.
     
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    If your host is in the US, the safe harbor status is a must.. Your host will say if they have safe harbor status, if they have they may leave you alone if you only link to stuff. But if you are hosting/streaming stuff they will pull your site...
     
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    You can't link to illegal stuff either. You can't hide behind "I'm just showing people where the illegal stuff is, I'm not hosting it". That is a HUGE lie that people keep telling around here and it is not true.

    If that were true people could link to child pornography and we all can agree that that is also illegal can't we?
     
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    If you were to do a search then you would see that the nonsense and misleading comments you make are starting to really make you look stupid. It all depends on where the movies are streaming from, where the links are hosted, where the original content is hosted also is the material which is to be streamed still under copyright? You just don't think before writing.

    Not everything is as black and white as you like to make people believe with your extremist views.
     
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    No it doesn't. It depends on where YOU are from and where YOUR website is hosted. If you reside in a country or have your website hosted in a country that respects that law, then you are in violation if you link to it...it doesn't matter where the other site is hosted, YOU have broken the law in your land.

    That's not only the law, but also common sense. You don't get the convenience of other people's laws. You follow the laws where you are.

    If you don't believe me, try it. Go into court and tell the judge "I was linking to a country where it's not against the law" and see if every one in court doesn't laugh at you.

    Do you know how many people have tried that rationale and are still sitting in jail? You may be young so let me refer you to the 80's and the drug wars. Sure it wasn't illegal to grow and process Coca or Opium in Columbia, but you couldn't sit in the U.S or Canada where it is illegal and run your operations. It's a little different but not much.

    You are bound by the laws where you live and work, not where someone else is.
     
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    Yes you are correct but what I said still stands due to not all countries laws are the same on these matters. Why is it that most of the people here seem to have this belief that US laws have a global ruling? There are simply to many factors to take into account, to which so many of you just refuse to accept and wish to post your moral standings on issues rather than from a legal stand point.

    Saying it is illegal is not correct in any shape way or form. You don't ask questions you just jump on the moral front and blurt out a load of rubbish, if you don't believe me then go into many European courts and try it you will get off scot free, thats even if they manage to actually get you into a court in the first place as in many countries it is completely legal to host copyrighted material. So to link to it is also completely LEGAL.

    Then there is the point of what evidence could any of these companies actually provide to convince a court that it was infact "you" that broke some corrupt law.
     
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    Look, I don't know how the courts work in EU or how clogged they are, but I do know that you are responsible for following the laws where you live and work.I don't care where that is.

    The fact the people get away with it or that the courts don't consider it a top priority to prosecute is not a legal argument. If it's illegal to do where you live, then if you do it, you are breaking the law. You can morally justify it all you want but your argument hasn't worked yet.

    For the life me I will never understand people's fascination with looking for loop holes, or the fascination with illegal music and movie sites. It's a really dumb assed way to make money...if you even make any money from it...I mean they are a dime a dozen, who really cares that much anymore? 5 years ago it was a big deal and everyone was fascinated by it , but now everyone knows what the deal is, what the law is...and most adults know that those sites are littered with viruses and malware, and it's not worth the risk. These sites only appeal to kids and idiots who haven't seen the memo yet or are still living in 1996.

    I mean seriously, how hard is it to watch a movie or buy a song online ? Are people really that poor or just cheap ?

    i know right from wrong and I choose not to do it.

    You guys do what ever makes your day. If linking to other people material, even though you know they are adamantly against you doing it, gives you some kind of thrill, then go for it.
    Actually this whole argument is so ridiculous..one the one side you have grown ups who could care less and have matured past fly by night, underground quick hits to make a buck...and on the other you have a bunch of kids that think it's cool.

    All I can be responsible for is me and I am positive that no one will ever be knocking on my door, or sending me a summons to appear in court because I know that I don't have a right to give away other peoples stuff.

    And I don't need some law to tell me that.
     
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