45% of Americans don't go to college , Why do you consider yourselves well educated ?

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  1. etc

    etc Well-Known Member

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    #21
    ignorance isn't about education.
     
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    scotman Active Member

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    #22
    I can think of a reason why many don't go to college and that is all the expenses to worry about of not being able to pay it back when you graduate.

    Did you know the US market is flooded with college students. Some College Professors are recommending not to go to college becuase they don't know how long this saturation will last? I was watching it on http://fora.tv/ intill they started charging a outrageous subscription price just to watch the videos
     
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  3. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #23
    One work-around for this is for college graduates to relocate to Asia. Many parts of Asia are not suffering the economic malaise of Obama's America.
     
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    #24
    education is nothing now days .. ha ha ha
     
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  5. GeorgeB.

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    #25
    The answer is that even with that statistic (if it is true at all) we still have equal or more educated people in the US per capita than any Muslim nation. Whether the professors are born Americans or not they are Americans now. A lot of them got their education in, guess where... yup, America.

    As for why those 45% choose not to go to college the answer is that we're a free nation. People have the choice. To some people (as has been explained in this thread) a college education isn't always necessary for everyone. A large percentage of the wealthiest people in our nation do not have a college degree. I have a college degree, but it's only because I needed it to become a commissioned officer in the US Army. That was my choice. I needed it to get to where I needed to be. But I worked alongside tons of senior non-commissioned officers who make darn good money and have had an excellent career and they never stepped foot on a college campus.

    It's our ability to make those choices for ourselves that make this country so great. Sorry to disappoint you, but it's as simple as that.

    In addition, having so few people with lower or minimal education is actually a problem. As we continue to transition to a knowledge based economy the fact is that we still need people with lower education to do the hard physical work that keeps the wheels and gears moving in our society. It's even sparking a huge debate over allowing so many uneducated illegal aliens to come to our country and do the work that our educated citizens won't do unless they have to. The situation is far more complicated than your little statistic could ever illustrate. But nice try anyway.
     
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  6. Cyb3rKing

    Cyb3rKing Peon

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    #26
    LOL @ GeorgeB , That doesn't make a sense .. Most of who don't go to college in your country don't go because of money and expensive education which you didn't mention .
     
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  7. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #27
    I don't think that's the case. The government makes college affordable to pretty much everyone, through loans and grants. People tend not to go to college because of a lack of interest or a lack of perceived RoI.

    Heck, I ain't got no edjumication and it ent hurt me none. :p
     
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  8. Cyb3rKing

    Cyb3rKing Peon

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    #28
    So will , Ask people on Yahoo Answers , why didn't you go to college ? they'll tell you that they'll be indebted for the rest of their lives .
     
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  9. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #29
    Do you really ask questions on Yahoo answers? I always wondered what type of person used a social media site as a study reference(or in your case for polling data). Its like asking the question, "Should Israel be destroyed" in DP P&R and treating the results as credible.

    CK, you destroyed this thread's credibility when you fired off with, "Generalization is always wrong" and followed it up with, "I'm a college level engineering student". I was thinking you might have shortened it up a bit with something like, 'I are an English major in College".
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #30
    Visit the B/S/T forums, you can have whatever you want placed on Yahoo Answers, at very reasonable rates. :p

    The long-term debt argument isn't about affordability, it's about RoI. They can afford to go to college, they just don't see the economic advantages of doing so.

    To a large extent, this is a regional issue. On the East and West coasts, degrees are more important. They are required for most "good" jobs. In the center of the country, performance matter more than paperwork. If you live in Colorado, for example, it may make more sense to get four years work experience than to get a degree. On the other hand, that same math may not work in Massachusetts.
     
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  11. Cyb3rKing

    Cyb3rKing Peon

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    #31
    @obamanation , well no sure I don't make studies on yahoo answers ..
    But the Guy says not because of money problems , so why do all of these people give the same answer which is money , well ofcourse such study isn't accurate and can't generalize but effective .
    Generalizing is usually wrong and I corrected it , And what does being student of mechanical engineering have to do with this part of speech ?
     
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  12. swiftsaves

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    #32
    as usual i was expecting replies from obamanation & robjones they always on every thread thats after on a no finishing debate .
     
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  13. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #33
    My family was dirt poor growing up, and highly religious. Coincidence? Let me assure you it wasn't. With no money whatsoever, my sister graduated with honors from Harvard law. The cost of that particular piece of paper is around USD$400k. Any student in the US who wants one and applies themselves can get a college degree, and money is absolutely not an issue. In fact, most of the Ivy league schools will pay for 100% of your undergrad based on need, not merit, if you are accepted. I know that information isn't readily available on Yahoo Answers, but perhaps you should be looking for more legitimate sources of information.

    You are a bit slow on the uptake. I'll rephrase. "I know 1+1 != 5 . 1+1=4. I corrected it. What does that have to do with being a math major?"
     
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  14. Cyb3rKing

    Cyb3rKing Peon

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    #34
    So obamanation you didn't tell me directly if you got a college degree or not , Answer please yes or no . don't write too much . If not then please don't talk to me because I love to speak with people who have good education like me :)
     
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  15. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #35
    No, I didn't. I have, however, taught software engineering at a reasonably prestigious California college. Now go reconcile that.

    LOL
     
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  16. Cyb3rKing

    Cyb3rKing Peon

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    #36
    oh , No college degree ??! So Bad mate so Bad ...
    Save your face and go to college . Have good education like me .
     
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  17. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #37
    For an education like yours, I'd need a Frontal Lobotomy. No thanks.
     
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  18. Will.Spencer

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    #38
    That's funny. I have also taught in both a private college and a public University, though I have no degree myself.
     
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  19. sterex

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    #39
    Education by itself does not define competence. If a highly qualified scientist does not apply his mind, what is the use of education? Besides, college degrees are just a measure of knowledge but not a measure of intelligence. And it is intelligence that moves the world, knowledge is the foundation.

    Having said that, it is shocking to find out that 45% of Americans do not get college education. (Americans, please do not sideline the figures. If they are to be assumed true, then when you are seventy, every one around you will be a dumb@$$!) Education provides a foundation for growth. You can argue that the 45% of these people do business, farming, fine arts, music, acting and arts etc. But there are colleges in those fields too right? They may not be mandatory, but if they were to get that bit of extra knowledge, the future of those fields will be secured.

    Just like how a harvard business grad would be able to improve a business much better than a person without that competence. I'm not saying it is impossible, I'm just saying that he would be able to do wonders!

    Please do not bring up the topic of Bill Gates being a drop-out. I'm sure he was a drop out and he created the Microsoft empire. However, I'm sure initially, all he did was coding along with a bunch of people. After which he hired a marketing agent to market his products, a production engineer to make them better, a sales person to increase the sales, an accountant to do his numbers for him and a business analyst to guide him. Now I'm sure that 90% of all these people were college-educated graduates.

    Bill Gates might be a drop-out. Then why does he not hire every drop-out into Microsoft? Recreate the dream right? Why does he want proper, prim college graduates to work for his company?

    Just food for thought.. :)
     
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  20. Obamanation

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    #40
    The better universities seem to make a practice of hiring from private industry. I did it for a year and disliked the monotony of teaching the same thing over and over.

    My religion discouraged college attendance. I didn't get away from it until I was 19, or I would have likely gone. My sister is my junior by 10 years and benefited from my religious emancipation at a much earlier age.
     
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