If you make both husband and wife as boss of a family then you can expect the ending of that institution. Have you ever seen a company with two bosses, each having equal rights. Can that organization run with two bosses? Islam is not only a religion, its a complete way of living. With the rules made by Allah.
There are plenty of companies that have 2 or more bosses with equal rights and ownership. Each one of the bosses have their own strengths and by combining them together make the company stronger and more prosperous. Islam is a pretty shitty way of life especially when it comes to respecting human rights.
You are single and when you have a relationship you will fail because you are a spineless little douchebag who thinks hitting women is fine. I've been with my partner for several years now and have a happy, loving and successful relationship. So, as someone who has a fair chunk of experience while you have none - I'm going to tell you the facts; We're equal. No one is the "boss". We're a family, not a company. If I wanted to be with an asshole, well, I guess I'd be with someone like you! We're happy because neither of us is controlled; we are our own people. That said - our relationship also works well because I'm demanding; and he likes that because he feels good making me happy - so at the end of the day if one of us were calling the shots, it's usually going to be me - and yet, by some miracle - I have no children in dustbins! Lastly; fucking insane. Women are beaten in the name of Islam every mother fucking day - it's an abomination - in the West a child might be found in a dustbin a few times a year, at most - at MOST. You're just making shit up. Pathetic.
Islam shows how to respect relations. We have family values. That is why we don't have old houses, like you have, you throw away your parents in old houses once they become a burden to you. You forget about how they bear you how they brought you up when you were pooping on yourself. We know how to respect our mother, our father, and wife. I can continue to give you verses and hadits about human rights and how to respect relations and the list can continue to thousands of posts it you like. The CNN version of Islam does not fit to Muslims.
I don't like Islam but I guarantee you, there are other Muslims here who would disagree with you. Why are you even still here? You're scum because you think beating women is OK. Now you try to convince others it is OK too? Fail.
The title of this thread is how to convert an Atheist to a Muslim. Let me tell you this, i once was a Muslim and now an Atheist. I have studied in a Medressa for two years between the age of 14-16. Before going to a Medressa i took bible classes at age 12. I have a fair understanding of Islam and its teachings. It has been 12 years since i said no to stupid ass nonsense religions. The part of the religion that states the creation of life had never made any sense to me even when i was somewhat religious person. What old houses are you talking about ?
I will repeat again, its not woman beating, its a right of husband as a last resort to prevent divorce that Islam has allowed husband to use it after talk has failed. BUT if husband believes that it will further tense the issues, then there is no point in doing this. Relation between husband and wife is just like friends, they should know each other as well as they know themselves. But husband being an extra responsibility of taking care of his family financially, gives him one greater right. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: "The best of you is the best of you to his wives and I am the best of you to my wife." It was from his behaviour that he would treat them in a beautiful fashion, with a smiling face. He would sport with his wives, be gentle with them and spend generously upon them. He would laugh with his wives and he even raced Aisha... Every night, he would gather his wives together in the house of the one with whom he (PBUH) was going to spend the night and eat dinner with them on occasion... After he prayed the night prayer, he would enter his house and talk to his wife a little bit before sleeping, making them comforted thereby. And Allah has said: {You have in the Messenger of Allah the best example.}"
It's not woman beating because two people are married? If your wife raped your eye socket with a rusty screw driver to kill you after one too many of these "not woman beating" incidents - would that be murder? Or not because you are a married? It is absolutely NOT the right of a husband to hit his wife! It was a pathetic little bitch does because he is mentally retarded and suffering from a condition known commonly as "penis envy". In the West many women take care of their family financially. I earn more than my partner - does that give me the right to beat him? (I'll give you a hint the answer rhymes with "Huck Bo!") Also, using the fact that a pedophile raced with a child he was molesting does not help your argument - it just makes normal, non-child-raping people sick.
Where do you live? According to official US statistics, in 8% of the child rape cases, its been found that the person behind it is his/her own father! Why? because wife does not want his husband to touch her, its my assumption, I may be wrong. In Islam, wife does not have obligation to earn for the family, however if wife can do this without sacrificing the upbringing of children, then she is free to do so.
Where I come from people are partners and women and men can both earn money. I can't speak for others, but I choose to do so because it helps to provide a better quality of life for my loved ones. I didn't ask you what the US rape stats are. I asked you if you thought it was creepy a man who was raping a child had a race with her? Here we call this technique "grooming" - it means to make the child think you are his/her friend before you abuse them. Do you also support child rape? Lastly - men don't rape kids because their wives wont sleep with them - it's because they're fucked in the head and attracted to little kids. They have hands, they choose not to masturbate but instead to fuck kids. This is fundamentally wrong. Do not blame women for not sleeping with the rapist, blame the rapist for not killing himself before ever laying hands on a CHILD. And wait - you didn't answer my question - here the obligation is to both parties equally. If I am the one responsible does that mean I can beat him? You say the one with more responsibility has this right. Answer the question.
Women does not have moral obligation, but they can do this on own will. But since you are not a Muslim then why ask. Well child rape cases happen in non-Muslim countries, its your society problem, bear it.
A partner DOES have a moral obligation. If a man had two broken legs, you don't think his wife has an obligation? Also you didn't answer the other question - is it creepy that a paedophile groomed his victim by "racing" her? (Or did you spelling "raping" wrong?)
In Islam man is allowed to marry woman once she reaches the age of menstruation. It was common in Arab culture. If a man is unable to care for the family financially, then either women can take that responsibility willingly, or she has the right to ask for khulla. Islam does not forces a woman to work and earn for family.
A child doesn't begin menstruation at 9 - even in this day and age when it beings younger, the average age is still 12 or 13, at which time the body is still rarely physically mature enough for sex. So in Islam a woman would leave a man because he was injured? She would not feel obligated to help? That's horrible :S If you get sick you will lose your family - here if we get sick our partner looks after us
It depends on climate, in warmer climates the age of menstruation is earlier, compare to cold environments. A woman with good character and who cares and love her family, husband and children will never even think of leaving her husband. She will take this responsibility. But she is free to leave family if that's not possible with her. This is called human rights.
.... You talk about human rights. Is it not a violation of a woman's rights to hit them? (It is.) That's fucked up. Also, the average age for menstruation is not 9 anywhere.
Husband is not allowed to hit women, it is a condition allowed in specific circumstance. I don't know how many times I have to repeat it. Arab has the warmest climate in Asia, it lies at the equator. I never said Aisha (peace be onto her) was 9. Her age was in between 9 to 12.
You don't need to tell me her age, lol - it was 7 when she was married, 9 when she was raped. I'm out of this thread; I feel like talking to someone who supports wife beating and sex with kids (if they get their period freakishly young) is not just a waste of time but also a total downer. I'm off to get some work done, have a beer and kiss my partner. Then I'll be thankful that he knows how wrong it is to hurt your spouse. If you're going to think this way when you grow up and trick a woman into marrying you, I implore you, kill yourself now before you ruin her life.
Yes you hate Islam because, we appreciate values of a family, since it restricts your wordy freedom, therefore you don't like Islam. You know what differentiates humans from animals, its the control of desires. Its a possession of humans and not for animals. Animals do whatever they want to and whenever they wish, they fuck whenever they desire regardless of environment, they eat until their tummy is full, and many more acts. I can continue with the list, but don't have time. As for your society, you fuck in front of people, just like donkeys, (very common in France, Denmark and Germany), you eat anything regardless, like eating pork, a dirty filthy animal, who eats his own shit. These are only two qualities I have compared between you and animals, I can continue with the list, if I had time. Enjoy your heavenly and desire full life!
Thegr4, after 3 pages of going back and forth with Alexis, you have still not answered my simple question. Give me an example of how beating your wife could prevent a divorce? I've asked this question more than five times now, and you have yet to provide me an example of how beating could save a marriage, so I'm going to try and make this easy for you. Below is a story of a married Islamic couple having marital problems, with two possible outcomes. Your job is to reply with a number that reflects, in your opinion, the real life likelihood of the story having the ending2. Case Study in Marriage and Beatings: Awin, a highly sexed creature, constantly complains to her husband Menj that she would like to have an orgasm. Menj, whose idea of foreplay is saying the words "I'm ready", always climaxes approximately 4 seconds after initiating sex. To make matters worse, he only has love for the anal cavity. Even if Awin could talk Menj into using the more traditional orifice of child birth, his extremely small penis could not satisfy her in 4 seconds, 4 hours, or 4 days. Awin does not want to go her whole life without knowing what it is like to be satisfied by a man, so she begs and pleads daily for a divorce. Menj talks with her at first, explaining to her how anal sex is his right as a man. He tells her that her complaints and desires are contrary to the teachings of the Qur'an. The family unit must come first! Awin laughs in his face, "You are a promoter of pornography, who are you to talk about the teachings of the Qur'an!". After some time, Awin has lost any love she ever felt for Menj and is disgusted by his very presence. One evening, she decides shes had enough and tries to deny his tiny penis entry into her anus. Menj, enraged, screams at her, insisting she permit him his anal pleasures. He tells her the Qur'an says a woman must always be complaint with her husbands sexual desires. Awin refuses once again. Menj beats her, and then forces himself on her. Possible ending 1(Realistic) Awin, having been assaulted and forcefully sodomized, fears Menj. She hates him more than ever. She weighs her chances of success in obtaining a divorce from the Sharia court against the severity of the beatings she might receive while the process is underway. She decides it is better to live her life as a hostage, being raped and sodomized on a nightly basis by the husband she despises. Possible ending 2(Fictitious) After being beaten, Awin realizes that her actions are in contradiction to the values in the Qur'an. She falls once again blissfully in love with Menj, thanking him for showing her the error of her ways. Disclaimer: **All characters appearing in the story above are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. So give me a number, thegr4, between 0-100, reflecting your opinion of the probability of 'possible ending 2'.