Once again you didn't answer the question. Instead you stated, fairly clearly, that you would never beat your wife if you were married. Doesn't that put you in conflict with the Qur'anic advice you were giving everyone just a few posts back? Now tell me this. Since you would never beat your wife ("only way is to talk the way out"), can you give me an example where beating your wife would help a relationship? Just one example where the advice from the Qur'an would be useful.
Beating wife is not something that is MANDATORY, it is something that is allowed only if talk fails, then depart yourself from her, don't share same bed with her. If that also doesn't work and a person has the right to adopt it, that does not include injure her or torture her, its just to make her realize how deeply sad husband is. But if only husband thinks it can work and she is such kind of nature. If she is not that kind of nature, then it will further tense the issues.
can you give me an example where beating your wife would help a relationship? Explain to me how this works. I'm new to Islam.
In other words, you can't beat women with impunity until the Islamic caliphate replaces the current government. In other words: "Yes. I think it's OK to abuse women." Jesus H. Christ you use a lot of words to avoid speaking the plain truth. BTW, in civilized countries we have other ways of showing sadness. We put the sides of our mouths downward. It works amazingly well, although you may not enjoy it as much as beating the shit out of a little woman.
Have I told you that I like you? I have given too much rep last 24 hours, but wanted to comment before I forgot.
*smiles* Thank you. Nice post to wake up to I like you too - and frequently try to rep you, although I often can't - either for legit reasons or because the stupid button fails, lol. I seriously love that throughout all the debates here, many of which are so emotionally intense - this issue in particular - that every single male I respect in P&R will take the time to argue about how wrong it is, how they'd never do it, how disgusted they are, etc. Same goes for when paedophilia is addressed. It keeps my faith in humanity alive. <3
The same thing goes for the Israel Military. The Arabs themselves are the ones that kill little Palestinian kids and the killers are paid Palestinians actors to make it look like Israel is doing all the killings to promote Muslim propaganda. So if your mother was being beaten up by your father and your sisters are being beaten daily from their husbands are you going to be fine with it ? Since Islam says is allowed you should be fine with it.
@obamanation @mi25 @alexispetrov @Will.Spencer None of you answered my question. What's better, try to prevent divorce, try to save institution and live a family life and care about the relationship and responsibilities of wife and children, or see the children of divorced family becoming thieves, murderers, prostitutes, drug addict, alcoholics and let the divorced man to reach prostitutes, make illegitimate children, if prostitute is not brave enough to bear those, she throws them in dustbins. Which some of you may be or atleast know of many.
And what makes you think that the children from a divorce family become murderers, thieves, drug addicts etc.. ? People get divorced and remarried that's the way of life. Obviously not yours . Your way is man should terrorize a woman and a woman should do anything that man wants. If man and woman have disagreements man is always right and the very backwards religion of Islam suggests beating to keep the woman in check.
A divorced man can get a new wife what about the children? will that new wife take care of step children as her own. That doesn't happen in normal circumstances. Children not getting attention are prone towards becoming murderers, thieves, drug addicts etc.. OK, woman should not do anything what man wants, woman should also refuse to become pregnant, because that also requires alot of sufferings. Guess what, after 60 years, you will be no more! You are ending nation with your own hands! As far as wife beating is concerned this is something thats not allowed in just any circumstances, only a limited permission is given for a limited purpose. Husband has the right to follow this way or not. It just represents the value of the family, how important this relation is and how much extent both the partners are allowed before they even think of separation.
You are assuming that men should get the custody of the children in case of a divorce. Regardless of who has the custody of the children is up to the father/mother to make sure that their new wife/husband will love and educate the children as if they were theirs. Also a single parent is more than capable to pay attention and take care of the children. Woman can refuse to become pregnant in Islam ? Have Muslims invented condoms 1400 years ago ? Is early term adoption allowed in Islam ? What else can a woman refuse to do without being beaten in Islam ? Also if your children see you beating their mother regularly don't you think that they will be prone to violence and think is ok to harm other people and could become murderers and thugs ?
I'll answer your question you repugnant little coward. (I hope if you ever get married you get Lorena Bobbit-ed, by the way.) Is it better to try to prevent divorce by hitting a woman, or is it better to let divorce happen? The answer is; if a man would ever lay a hand on a woman, divorce is the best option because this man should be single and alone for his life. He should never be allowed around women or children and should be put in prison with other wife beaters. There, he will be with his own kind. They can beat and rape each other until they die. You believe children from divorced parents must all turn out to be thieves, murderers, etc. - but this is a lie. You also seem to think people in the West put kids in dustbins on a regular basis, as you keep repeating it - a child in a dustbin here is almost infinitely less common than an "honor killing" there. Hitting a woman to make her stay with you is NOT a marriage. It is abusive. She is a hostage. And you are just a mother fucking coward who should have been aborted. You are describing holding a woman captive because she hates you, thinks you are scum and wants to leave you - hitting her only confirms this. Now I answered your question; divorce is better than staying with someone who hits women - and I'm sure everyone else here will agree with that - except the wife beating pussies - but now you should answer mine. When you are married and you hit your wife, do you think she will be able to hide her hatred and disgust from you - or do you think you will be able to tell that she hates you because you are a pathetic little asshole who thinks it is OK to abuse women? Also - as you're keen on abusing people - do you think she would trust you not to rape your kids?
Its not a matter of assumption its a fact, just go to any Jail and ask any prisoner who's your father, who's your mother, he may not even know their parent's name. Lol! What kind of theory is that? If your women get the right to refuse being pregnant (I know it requires a lot of pain and discomfort to carry a child in a belly and then suffer the pain and burden of a newly born baby), in the name of human rights, then ultimately, your nation will perish! Its not rocket science to understand that. The law is coming very soon in US senate, I saw that on CNN!!!!! I will tell my grand children, once upon a time, there was a nation called United States Nation.....!!!
You're a fucking moron, you know that? In the West women, who FYI aren't "your women" (they aren't property, numb nuts) - have every right to "refuse" being pregnant. Because a person's body, male or female, belongs only to that person. If you believe you can force a woman to be pregnant, I believe that your wife should be able to force you to get an extreme genital piercing. I'd go into detail but as there are guys here who'd probably get a little uncomfortable I wont. Couldn't +rep you again so soon, apparently - but I agree. If I believed in god, which I don't, I'd pray this loser dies alone after being beaten up regularly.
I never said beating wife is common in Islam, beating wife in our society is infinitely less common than children found in dustbin in your society. Wife beating is not something allowed in just any circumstances, it is one of the option that can be utilized as a last resort if husband believes that it can save marriage, but if it can further tense the relationship, then I will never even think about it. I have said that in nearly all my posts, but NO you dont want to read it or intentionally ignore it!
How could you possibly think than you can save a marriage by beating wife ? Let me ask you this : Are woman allowed to beat their husbands in Islam ? Or is it a major crime punishable by stoning to death if they attempt such thing ?