How to convert an Athiest to a Muslim

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  1. thegr4

    thegr4 Well-Known Member

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    #101
    Islam is the only religion which promotes Questioning. Don't accept anything without a proof, this is what Quran says, Look at the stars how they are created, look at the universe how we (Allah) is expanding it, look at the mountains how they are standing firm, look the sky how it acts as a protected roof for living beings, look at the earth how its spread out, look at yourself how you came into being and hundreds of verses promoting questioning.
    A true believer never accept anything without a proof. Im not a moron like you who sit on a sofa with popcorns and watch CNN and believe what they are saying, believe that Islam promotes hate etc.
    Whereas the fact is opposite, I know Islam I live as a Muslim, there is not even a single verse which promotes hate or unjust killing.
    But you people, nah its too much for you to read our holy book, you dont even read your own books. Just believe what CNN is saying about Islam and continue watching those actors on Aljazeera with a gun and a mask.
    You are the ones who are living a life of animals, dont you see how a hungry cow gazes when she sees food, the same is with you people, living in a deception of this world, considering it as a heaven, you have been deprived of thinking, you don't even question your existence. You have devoted your life to feed your desires. Totally ignorant of what will happen after death.
    Stay in deception !!! Enjoy your heaven!!
    It will last 60-70 years for you.
     
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    alexispetrov Peon

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    #102
    Why do you assume no one here reads? I've read the Qu'ran from cover to cover TWICE, and I've gone back to look at certain sections more times than I can recall.

    Just because we disagree with you and your book, that doesn't make us wrong.

    You talk about being encouraged to question things; if using science and logic you could understand evolution and how certain things were created, would you honestly feel like you could say to another Muslim, "I am questioning whether or not allah made the apple"?

    What if you were to question the hatred of the Jews? Do you think your Muslim community would turn against you? Or would they be happy you were questioning it because supposedly the Quran tells you to?

    Lastly - Islam is not the only belief system to promote questioning; Modern Satanists, Agnostics and Atheists are all able to freely question anything they like.
     
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    thegr4 Well-Known Member

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    #103
    If you read Quran then you would have never asked this question.
    According to law of conservation of energy: "Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed but it can be converted from one form to another".

    So who made energy on the first place???

    As for your theory of Evolution is concerned, it has no proof it is still one of a theory, in fact with the passage of time, this theory is becoming obsolete as we are discovering the complexities of a single living cell. When we look at a single cell, we can see it consist of parts of irreducible complexity, hence greatly rejecting theory of evolution.
    We are yet to find a single fossil which can prove the species undergoing transition stage, like from fish to crocodile or to snake etc.
    Thus rejecting theory of evolution, many of the scientists don't believe in this theory, Darwin himself claimed that the theory can prove to be wrong if a bacteria is found to contain parts of irreducible complexity.
    The time Darwin proposed theory, very little was know about bacterias, and bacteria was just a dot under a microscope, we now know how even a single cell of a bacteria is complex to the extent of irreducibility.
     
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    #104
    Since then, a lot of knowledge has accumulated. All that knowledge points clearly that evolution is a fact. It is a fact beyond any doubt. Still, you don't "believe" it.
    On the other hand, you do believe that god sent humanity a genocidal prophet with weakness to prepubescent children and also allowed him to beat his wife.

    Don't we all love rational and reasonable people?
     
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    #105
    "Questioning" is just posturing when you have already admitted that you will only accept data if it appears in the Quran or two sets of Hadiths.

    You went full retard, man. Never go full retard.
     
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    alexispetrov Peon

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    #106
    Just answer the question; if you wanted to question things as you say you are allowed to do according to the Qu'ran, would you feel safe in telling in a room full of your peers that you were questioning allah? Or not?

    I'm not asking you if you would question it, I'm just asking you if you honestly believe that you could do so safely.
     
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    #107
    You embarrass yourself and Islam with each new post.
     
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    #108
    Theory of Evolution is an un-proved theory, bear the fact. However if you believe you evolved from monkeys, you are free to do so, in fact I dont see much difference between you and monkeys, both live to fulfil desires!
    As for me, I am a son of Adam and Hawa.

    In my religion wife and husband relation is one of the most important relation. And therefore every possible measure is allowed which could prevent divorce, it is used as a last resort that woman can separate or man can separate from this relation, both have rights.
    Man is responsible for looking after wife and children including provision of finance to run this relationship. Wife has no such responsibility, however if wife wishes to without effecting the time of bringing up children, than wife is free to do so.
    Since every organisation has a boss, there are no 2 boses in organization if thats the case then organization can not run, same is the case with family. Husband is given one right more than wife, not because hes a man but because he is a husband. So its not because of gender, its because of extra responsibility husband has been put.
    If woman does something that can jeopardise the relation of husband and wife then husband has the right to correct his wife. And beating is a right given to husband as a last resort after all the means have failed, if it is believed that beating can prevent divorce, however if that is not possible, than husband has the right to give divorce. Same with wife. If wife can not bear the injustice of his husband, the wife can also separate herself from this relationship. So both have equal rights to depart once the relation can not continue. But both should try there best to clear up confusion before they go to the ultimate extent of ending the relation.
    In fact Islam has given a much higher status to a mother than a father. Because a mother gives birth to child, brings up and bears the pain of the unborn baby in the state of pregnancy.
    Once a person came to Allah's Messenger
    (may peace be upon him) and said: "Who among the people is most deserving of a fine treatment from my hand? He said: Your
    mother. He again said: Then who (is the next one)? He said: Again it is your mother (who deserves the best treatment from
    you). He said: Then who (is the next one)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Again, it is your mother. He (again) said: Then who? Thereupon he said: Then it is your father."
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #109
    Couldn't stop laughing at this one. I read the "theory of Evolution is becoming obsolete" comment and knew the response was going to be funny. I had just envisioned myself as the one to provide that response. Damn you!

    What if the wife beats the husband? Is that a crime? What if the husband has a small penis and can't satisfy his wife? You can beat her all you want and your dick will not increase in size. If she constantly reminds you that you are completely unable to satisfy her in bed, would you beat her, grant her a divorce, or buy her a dildo so she can satisfy herself(for the sake of the relationship of course)?
     
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    thegr4 Well-Known Member

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    #110
    I will be more than happy to answer them. Asking our creator is fed into our minds, this is one of the basic question that comes into our mind. It is not just a matter of faith, Allah has given signs to us to recognise our him. A universe so vast with apparently unlimited galaxies and stars. Yet we are living on solar system of a small star. This shows the greatness of our creator. If you want to discover Allah, discover his creations. This is what Allah says in Quran.
     
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    #111
    Considering the incredible amount of evidence, it is more probable that the earth is flat than the evolution theory is not true.
    "I don't understand it" and "I don't like it" or "it hurts my feeling" does not constitute counter evidence to the huge, incredible, unbelievable, enormous, (i'm out of adjectives) of evidence that support evolution. Not even a single finding among dozens of thousands made in the recent decades contradicts it. Evolution is how you got there. and yes, I was a monkey 7 million years ago, so were you. But I have evolved. You haven't.


    *boring middle ages stuff*
     
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    thegr4 Well-Known Member

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    #112
    Woman has complete right to separate. And give khulla (divorce) for any reason which one or both of them believe can not continue lifetime commitment.
     
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    #113
    What if the woman beats her husband?
    What if the husband refuses to grant his wife a divorce?
     
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    thegr4 Well-Known Member

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    #114
    I know truth hurts and truth is boring for some people as well. I have found the answer to this question, why I am here and what will happen to me after death, you are still searching for it (or probably not), guess who has enlightened. Instead of asking this question, you have fallen to the deception of this 60-70 years life and have considered it a heaven.
    Ask the people who are old and ask how soon they have reached that age, life is just a glimpse of heaven, but if you consider it as a permanent place and consider worldly pleasures as your god, then you will suffer the consequences. You don't have to wait a long time to find truth, death is very near. Better to discover Allah in the world.

    Are you allowed to shout or beat your boss? If you do what do you expect?
    If husband refuses to give divorce to wife, than woman can go to court and ask for khulla.
     
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    #115
    Yes, I know that have a common ancestor with monkeys hurts. I'm not too happy about that either. But I do have brains, and in light of the evidence I have no other choice but to accept it.

    *boring*
    old people used to be smart in the 7th century. Today, most 20 year olds are smarter than 60 year olds. I mean, at least in the civilized world - but probably in the retarded part of the world a.k.a dar-al-Islam.
    This is the era of information and education. Welcome.
     
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    #116
    Answer the question, and not with another question. Can a woman beat her husband, and if not what is the penalty and who administers that penalty. For the sake of argument, lets assume the woman is bigger than the man, so he can't just overpower her.
     
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    thegr4 Well-Known Member

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    #117
    Relation of a family is like an organization. Where there is one boss. Husband is a boss of a family, not because he is a male but because he is a husband and has an extra responsibility of taking after his family. It is because of this extra responsibility that he is a boss. If a husband is fable compared to wife, it does not mean he posses lesser rights, he is still a boss. If the husband is doing something which jeopardise the relationship of husband and wife, then dont expect the things to get corrected when wife beats husband. Wife can tell husband to correct the things which are resulting in separation between the two. Asking for Khulla is a last resort.
    If you are stronger than your boss, does that mean you can beat your boss and expect him to behave well with you after that? If you don't like your job or your boss, you just submit a resignation letter.
    Same way woman can ask for khulla.
     
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    #118
    Has your boss ever beat you? Is that ok where you come from?
     
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    thegr4 Well-Known Member

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    #119
    Boss don't have the right to beat workers. But relation between husband and wife is more personal. Its like one soul in two bodies. Islam does not promote this act, and promotes talk between husband and wife to resolve the issues, but if talk fails and husband believes things to get corrected after that only then its permissible. Its purely with the intention of saving the family. Its not with the intention of getting out anger for some other reason.
     
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    #120
    You're single, aren't you?

    Men who raise a hand against a woman are total pussies. They are the weakest, most worthless creatures.

    Where you come from, you hit a woman and no one will help her.

    Where I come from if a man hits you and you throw his fat ass through a glass door and then kick him in the face, no one will help him. This is the superior system.
     
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