Miracles of Quran - How can you deny it.

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  1. miscsoft

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    #41
    well you might not believe in worshiping the moon/sun but you ancestor certainly believed in such ritual. any worthy descendant would try to preserver those whether he/she follows/had belief in those rituals or not, as these are their heritage. this is true for every culture except islam.
     
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  2. Ibn Juferi

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    #42
    Good thing Islam is very clear about serving false gods. Not sure what the other side has to say about worshipping a crucified Roman criminal.
     
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    #43
    God swear on Himself and on His innovation like the stars, moon, sun, time, day, night, the Angels.

    We cannot explain why God do this and that, that is true.
    So, no one should dare to explain God's intentions.

    God's knowledge is too wide for our narrow minds to comprehend.

    He it is Who hath revealed unto you (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed. (7)

    Our Lord! Cause not our hearts to stray after Thou hast guided us, and bestow upon us mercy from Thy Presence. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Bestower. (8)

    Our Lord! Lo! it is Thou Who gatherest mankind together to a Day of which there is no doubt. Lo! Allah faileth not to keep the tryst. (9) [chapter 3].


    Peace be upon those who follow the guidance.
     
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    #44
    I helped you by bolding the part of my sentence which you ignored. Reading comprehension vacuum as well?
     
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    #46
    Many of the Quran scientifically verses are open to interpretation. " Allah created the heavens and earth without any support" This does not say anything about earth being round . Sure if you wanted to say so it will.
    Many people believe that Nostradamus was a prophet and his writings are inspired by God. For example : Here is the nostradamus quatrain:

    The young lion will overcome the older one,
    On the field of combat in a single battle;
    He will pierce his eyes through a golden cage,
    Two wounds made one, then he dies a cruel death.

    And the interpretation is :
    In June 1559, Henry II ignored all warnings that Nostradamus gave him and participated in a jousting tournament against the Comte de Montgomery. Both men used shields embossed with lions. Montgomery was six years younger than Henry.

    During the final bout of fighting in the tournament, Montgomery failed to lower his lance in time. It shattered, sending a large splinter through the king’s gilded visor (golden cage). The result was two moral wounds (two wounds made one and then he will die a cruel death.) One splinter spliced eye; the other impaled his temple just behind the eye. Both splinters from the lance penetrated his brain. Henry lived for ten days in agony, thus fulfilling the Nostradamus prophecy that he would die a cruel death.


    If i write some gibberish futuristic verses and thousands of years from now people will look in to them and interpret them in whatever way that they wish. Some of my writings could come true if they are interpreted the wright way.
    Will that make me the only Good the almighty and will people kill in my name and hate everyone that dislikes me ?
     
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    #47
    Premise of the video is already false to begin with. The Qur'an never claimed to be a book of "science", but it is a book of Signs. Its not a manual or a guidebook for scientific discoveries, so no one can become an Einstein or a Newton just by reading the Qur'an. But anyone who has a knowledge of science can easily see how the Qur'an shows proof of its divine origins by bringing forth signs.

    As for why nobody was making connections between the Qur'an and Science, that is because for the past 1300 years, scientific knowledge was not as advanced as it is today.
     
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    #48
    If you look hard enough you can find signs in any book. Especially when you know what you looking for.
     
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    #49
    The Qur'anic statements on certain scientific matters are neither eulogical nor are they metaphors. They are cold, hard facts. Its very clear to anyone who reads them except for those who prefer to stick their head into the sand.
     
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    #50
    Here's some of those facts for 'ya. :p

    [video=youtube;5CJK87kzjO4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CJK87kzjO4[/video]
     
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    #51
    I'm not interested. I've spoken with Muslims and asked other Muslims to show me where the burka is in the Quaran. Then I have asked about the moon and the sun and been referred to to what I have posted earlier which indicates to me that Muslims who differentiate between the teachings of Muhammed and Islam as an organized religion are taking offence to its placement on top of the Mosque as they are the same symbols used to worship the "old way". The pagan way. Sun/Moon/Jupiter/Neptun/Saturn.

    And the personifications of those planets and orbits in various forms of humans. Zeus, Nimrod, Venus, all sorts of ancient writings having to do with moms and dads telling kids bedtime stories in regards to those lights in the sky being actual people until those kids grew up to engrave those childhood memories into artifacts and pass them down as artsy facts.

    I'm not really good with the "blind faith" thing anymore.

    "Your mind is like a parachute. If you don't open it, you're fucked." ~Someone on Facebook
     
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    #52
    Is this one of those "You're stupid, too!" answers? I'm not denying or confirming your accusation about the star or the crucifix. I have done so elsewhere, but this thread is about Islam.
     
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    bUT ALMIGHTY KNOWS THE FUTURE FRIEND...SO ALLAH INCLUDED ALL THE THINGS 1400 YEARS AGO...
     
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    #55
    Have you seen or talked with this Allah? The interesting thing is that people like you who are using Internet and some what literate, still believe in such nonsense.
     
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    #56
    If you're referring to Yeshua/Jesus/Isa, then you must be leaving out the writings indicating his second coming which Muslims believe in.

    Sort of like the ignoring the paganism within the organized religion called "Islam" (not the actual scripture the belief is loosely based on).

    Sort of like ignoring any rules coming with this when it comes to yourself.

    It used to be easy in the Middle Ages for the Catholic church, but people are more educated these days.

    Amazing that your "ministry" stands a chance.


    As above, not interested in what the Quaran says, but more in how the organized religion called "Islam" continues to mislead people.

    Would be interested in your personal opinions regarding what awinsjclarke has been writing.
     
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    #57
    So why then did he include literally a thousand errors in the Quran? :p
     
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    #58
    Everyone should read this column by a Pakistani journalist in a leading English newspaper in Pakistan. In the article senior journalist Nadeem Farooq Paracha (a real 'moderate Muslim) debunks the theory that Quran is the source of most discoveries of modern science.

    I am an Indian and actually started reading up Pakistani newspapers after the Mumbai attacks in 2008 to understand the reaction of the media there since the terrorists had come from Pakistan. Most media outlets in Pakistan are actually propaganda tools but the newspaper I've linked above (dawn) seems independent and holds much more secular views. The columnist Nadeem F Paracha is a brilliant writer who has written against terrorism and the bigoted mindset of some of his countrymen.
     
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    #59
    You need to also understand that Muslims generally speaking do not get their "wisdom" from the Quaran, but listen to those who proclaim being wise teachers of it. This thread and the brought up discussion about paganism is a prime example as most either do not even understand it or like in Menji's case feel threatened by it as it could cause the sheep to form opinions different from the mindset which allows the same teachers to use them as compliant tools.
     
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    Its a Christian missionary website which also puts forward arguments in favour of the Bible (and calls the Qur'anic criticism of the Bible "mistakes"). So does this mean you are a crypto-Christian?
     
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