"Everything he said was directly from God confrming alot of what was in the Bible " So you agree. He wasn't a prophet. He was just knowledgable in the Bible so things he says are just another copy of the Bible except where he flat out lies and claims God says things he didn't actually say. Since Mr M is a proven liar I really can't trust him to "confirm the Bible" now can I? It's no different than finding a Bible verse in the tabloids. It means nothing. "Believe me. You are basing your afterlife on quotes which you have no idea are devine or not." Intellectual honesty is obviously not your thing. I know they're divine. Part of the reason I know that is the way you're squirming. You know that if they're true then your prophet must be false. All the prophets of the Bible pass the test. Your false prophet doesn't. I think I'll stick with a religion that values complete honesty in a prophet. You don't seem to care that your prophet was wrong on numerous occasions. What kind of pathetic prophet can't tell when God is and isn't talking to them? And if the prophet can't tell, how can I trust his words? I can't. You are basing your salvation on the words of a prophet who falsely puts words in God's mouth.
"At least be man enough to admit something you thought was a complete error and silly, turned out to be prophetic." It wasn't prophetic. It was "science." Things that were common belief back then. It's not surprising, now that I research a bit more, that he would have believed that. It says nothing about him except that he was aware of Jewish beliefs like countless other people. Do you understand now why your religion has to pretend he was illiterate? Because if he was literate then it would have been easy for him to know these things. But if he was illiterate then God would have had to have told him these things because he couldn't have read them in the Jewish texts. Because you know, he was probably deaf too and couldn't have been told these things from someone else. The Mormon church uses the exact same arguments you're using. They also have prophecies that came to pass. And a whole lot that didn't. I guess the Devil figured it worked so well the first time, he'd give it another go.
They have to keep it up as a self-hypnosis in order to be able to stand their own lies for their worldy desires.
Now we see why they mutilate the woman's sexually, it is so they have more male children? Or ?? I have 5 boys, is that enough?
You hit the nail on the head. What makes you think we're "pretending" that he was illiterate? Your last 5 or 6 replies have been full of insults and affirmations of things you would like to believe. No substance whatsoever. Having answered each and every one of the previous points you made, do you have anything else? Remember what you quote from the Bible which matches anything in our scriptures does not harm us, and don't say I'm agreeing that any copying took place. It looks very foolish for you to say I agree that there was copying, when I'm clearly saying the similarity is due to both scriptures being directly revealed by God. If you quote something that disagrees, it is because your books were tampered with. In order to argue otherwise, you need to prove the textual authentication of your scriptures, which you obviously can not. And if you're confused about what we mean by textual authentication, visit this link. Name one. We saw what happened to the previous attempts you made.
Murderer, pedophile, lier, slanderer, worldy strategist, war lord, deceiver ... some more? This are descriptions of your prohet by his deeds. Are these the very characteristics of prohets? - I wonder
This just cracks me up that you guys (muslims) have gone through all the trouble to come up with so many weird ways of interpreting the Word in order to TRY to make the koran look OK... Guess what?!? It didn't work with those who actually know and read the Bible, but maybe those who don't know the context or those who don't try to actually understand the Word. I went in circles with the member here who calls himself "muslim" until he got banned making a second account and pretending to be a Christian who was wanting to become a muslim. It was sort of amusing but I guess the ends justifies the means to those who will LIE about anything because it is OK to LIE to infidels. Oh, well, God sees the deeds of these men who lie or perpetuate the lies, one of my goals is to reveal these lies to others to keep them from being misled. BTW, I had jehovah witness terrorists at my house this morning - tried to terrorize me with there magazine, now if all terrorists were this way it would be a little different these days wouldn't it. LOL
Show me where I have lied above, or have concealed information and tried to mislead anyone. If you can't then get off your ass and prove the textual authentication of your scriptures. Surely what you call a lie can be shown to be a lie? or is it just something we believe?!
Visit the links off the forum post I pasted above! The Messenger of God (pbuh) led the most noble and ascetic and virtuous life that a human being can lead, and every single action of his was by the direct instruction of God Almighty to deliver the Message of Truth to mankind, to save the Jews and Christian from the lies of their Rabbies and priests, and uplift mankind from the darknesses of paganism and atheism and the diseases of the heart. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=491361&highlight=sermon
All this "islam" is big fake. We all know Jews are the chosen. your "mohammad" wants to join the Jews before he invent "islam" but they didn't allow him to do so because he wasn't Jew etc. So that wouldn't happend, they reject him and he was disapointed and jealous them (because they are the chosen people of God), so he crate the islam that similar to Jews bible, but he add some evil shits. Jealous bring hatred, that's the process.
"due to both scriptures being directly revealed by God." If I plagerize "The Lost World" would you say I was equally inspired to write it? I don't think so. It just means I copied it. Nothing more. If I then add to "The Lost World" does that mean that I was inspired by the same forces that inspired the original author? I don't think so. It just means I added my own words to someone else's book. If you asked me three questions about "The Lost World" and I gave the right answer would you think I was Michael Crichton?
Kalvin B, you write: "Jesus Christ while on earth never did. But through the prophets as the word of God he certainly did. Jesus literally is the word of God. So anytime God commanded an army that was Jesus." This ignores so much of the promise and progress of the Word of God in His perfect timing I simply do not know where to really start with your misunderstanding of the Bible. But do you not realize that the Old Testament was the promise of the New? Of the new and BETTER covenant? Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: v32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: v32 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. With the advent of Christ, the Law of Moses was abbrogated, the emphasis was changed. Nay, the very Law changed: "Hbr 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." Such is the magnificence of our Lord. You confuse the acts of the Holy Bible, particularly of the Old Testament with the methodology of our Lord, which, indeed, has changed over the ages, (at least five times that I, and more to the point, greater minds than mine own can and do detect) while always pointing to one person - Christ - His manifestation, sacrifice, and ressurection. IN Christ
I can't stop but laugh. I am sure you are talking about mr. M. Once boxed in by Islam one cannot get out of it. Truth is the last thing muslims that I know worry about. I proved you wrong at least once, and got tired of giving you (and the other muslims) proof after proof. Here you'll see if you have "eyes" to see that you wrong again. May I say your prophet: 1. Married 16 women and had 2 slave girls 2. Married at age of about 53 a 9year old girl (IMO for sexual pleasures; he could be well be labeled as sexual predator nowadays). A true prophet would never do such a thing. Isn't it selfish to marry a 9 year old girl knowing he'll die in 9 years (he insist he's prophet, so he must have known how long he'll live) and leave her widow at about 18years? 3. Made his step son divorce his wife so he can marry her. Very divine act from a prophet and very moral isn't it? 4. Waged wars, ordered killings. Ordered crippling of people. 5. Told a big lie Jesus was not crucified. A true prophet would never deny this fact. 6. He crippled spiritually so many people after his coming. That even today many muslims cannot tell the difference between a Divine deed and that of a Human. Many of Muhammad's deeds today could be easily characterized as done by somebody who is "not OK" with his health. 7. Gave many false prophecies (DP members have posted them already). 8. This list can go on and on .... AND IT IS ALL TRUE! I can't understand how can you say "The Messenger of God (pbuh) led the most noble and ascetic and virtuous life that a human being can lead...." for a man who did all those things (and even more that I cannot put here)? Do you know the true meaning of the words morals and ethics? (for the other ones love, compassion, forgiveness ......etc. I will not ask you for a reason) Prove me I am wrong if you can please. Finally Did Muhammad give Divine Ideas as good or better than - Love each other. Love your neighbor like yourself. Love your enemies.? Please excuse my grammar and tone. I am not a professional writer nor a politician. I say the things as I see them. I know there are a lot of muslims who believe God is about Peace and Love. I wish one day all get to that conclusion. I showed you facts again and I know already what your unswer will be. In the best case partial.
There are countess other Islam bashing threads right here in this forum. Can you at least spare this one.