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Only one side of the conflict has stated a willingness to peacefully co-exist(two state solution) Its not that the muslim lives in the conflict are worth less, its that they cannot co-exist. The best they(Hamas) have ever offered Israel is a 10 year truce while they re-arm. Fatah looked like it was going to go with a two state solution with peaceful co-existence, and Hamas rule in Palestine was the result of such thinking.

 

if you have an opinion that you feel is worth considering,try answering the other questions also. atleast part b
or are you saying we should let this situation continue?

 

I'm saying we should support peaceful coexistence. The logical conclusion is to support the only side that supports peaceful coexistence.

 

support one side to do what? to what aim? nothing changes, nothing changes [fron AA i think]
what is it that you are supporting?
ps. this is the same question that earl asked

 

Peacefully coexist.

Peacefully coexist

Because one side will not acknowledge the right of the other to exist.

Via weapons and cash, we are supporting(helping) those who share our values to defend themselves from those who don't. Lets not pretend it is just Israel either. When Egypt finally gave up the ghost on trying to burn Israel to the ground, we started sending them boatloads of cash as well. If Palestine were to genuinely give up the idea of destroying Israel, we would likely support them as well.

 

in that case lets have quartet draw a map and send troops to separate both side.

 

Quartet?

The map was drawn in 1948(and redrawn in 67).

Send troops? Israel is doing a nice job all on it's own. I highly doubt the UN could do a better job. Look at what a great job they did in Rwanda. You never know though. Perhaps having the UN occupy the Palestinian territories would be better .

 

yes it would. so there you go. any of those maps and UN in wb and gaza. i have no problem. lets go with supporting that as a coexistence plan.
so simple. and they have been fighting for 50 years now.
maybe we should cosponsor a poll?

 

I don't have an issue with it on principal, although the UN has managed to completely screw up practically everything they have touched. You can look at the Oil for Food program, Rwanda, Somalia, and many other examples. Where they aren't overtly corrupt, they are ineffective. I suspect that if they were put in charge of Gaza and the West Bank, it would look like Somalia in no time with the UN cowering with their troops in their base while Hamas rained down rockets on Israel.

 

ok we go with nato troops

 

You sell it and I'll buy it . Think you can get Turkey to enforce the naval blockade?

 

you got egypt doing it now.
blockade is already broken. it is now an arms embargo.

 

The naval blockade is still in place. The USS Truman and associated battle group is right now headed to the area to aid in it's enforcement as Iran has ships of it's own trying to break it.



It would appear at least one part of NATO is already following your recommendations

 

http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&ncl=dfM-cSfV9OUssMMc71rg2d2346gRM&topic=w

 

You think that will satisfy Hamas?

 

it would satisfy me. if we want to have peace with palestanian and israelis we have to learn that some people on both side are going to be unsatisfied. but so what

 

What if what they are unsatisfied with is the fact you are still breathing?

 

1) Holocaust is not a myth and I think the world should engage in discussion about it so the lessons are not forgotten. Trying to silence people who claim otherwise is stupid because it feeds the belief that there is a conspiracy to benefit from Holocaust and it is just a story. Ahmadinejad has said so many thing that are stupid, so what? It can not be worse than some of speeches by Bush or other American presidents? Ahmadinejad is facing opposition inside the power structure in Iran and becoming more and more anti-American and show himself as a nationalist is a way to strength his position. Unfortunately Jews have always been a perfect escape goat in different situation. Travel to former east Europe for example Estonia and you will see Nazi memorabilia in shop´s display window and neo-Nazi groups becoming stronger all the time.

2) There are many gays in Iran and prostitution is so wide spread that you can see it every where even among normal girls with good family structure and working in offices. Some of them don´t even think of it as prostitution, it is just a way to get the dress, perfume or latest phone that they want. Government is between the rock and hard place in this question since they can not execute all gays and in the same time they can not accept it because it is their religious teaching which is the government base for claiming the power, so their latest "solution" is free sex change operation for gays.

3) Read answer 2 but then so what? As I remember USA still has in many states laws that forbids anal sex and women are arrested and fined because of going topless in public beaches while it is quite normal in Europe.

The difference between us is the fact that unlike you I travel to these countries and have dealings with them and your "American media" picture is very far from reality. People in Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan,.... do not hate the American freedom and life style. Their intellectuals go to prison and get killed by their governments secret police because they desire the same freedoms and democracy as people in USA and Europe. The irony is that many of these governments, secret police and prisons are effectively controlled by American embassy in those countries.
In another thread, I noticed that you mentioned fortune 500 companies, are you aware that so many of them are dealing with Iran while USA has an official embargo against that country? The only difference is that they do it through their subsidiaries in Europe and products are invoice to the Gulf countries instead.

 

Can you provide me a US presidential quote from any US president in the last 100 years that you find to be the equal of Holocaust denial? Just one will do.

"American media" picture? The "American media" picture I've been getting from Iran is that of an educated population trying to modernize (become more US/Europe like) and being beat down by their oppressive religious leadership. Is that not exactly the picture you, as an educated world traveler, just painted for us? Another thing. You cant summarize the views of a whole group of people like you just did. I suspect your description is accurate of Iran and, to some extend, Pakistan. That does not mean those populations do not have a very large element that stirs up religious based hatred against western nations, and more specifically Israel, as well as all who would push for modernization within their own nations. The existence of such people are exactly the reason the "intellectuals" go to prison when they push for modernization.

Evidence? Any evidence at all that our government is working hard to secretly imprison people in these foreign nations who would support our government? The allegation is asinine and illogical at face value. Throwing around such wild accusations defines the word irresponsible. I would say you are very young, but I suspect you are not. I guess wisdom is something not all of us pick up with age.

 

the people that live in that area have already shown they don't scare easy. what you fail to understand that whenever a peace treaty was made it has been made between people that hate each other. there is nothing unusual or special about this situation.
the implication that israel can not make peace because some palestanians hate them or vice versa is wrong