Pope criticized Islam

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by roiei, Sep 14, 2006.

  1. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #201
    Nah, just copy/pasting...
     
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  2. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #202
    Is this an overt way of answering a question I had several pages back in regards to islam's goal being world domination through conversion to islam to establish a world wide caliphate?. One world, one ummah. I think we both know the answer, but it would be a refreshing change to see honesty in an answer.
     
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  3. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #203
    Notice he never said anything against what I said about Islam?
     
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  4. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #204
    Indeed, I noticed. This isn't the average "body building forum" where the casual infidel can be fooled.
     
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  5. spdude

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    #205
    Joan of Arc doesn't exist unless you prove what I requested above. You haven't addressed this yet despite my repeated requests.

    In addition I've addressed every single point you presented.

    Go here for suggested readings on how Trinitarianism infiltrated true Christianity

    Note that I have no problem in linking to that thread above, even though it does contain spammed links to Islam hating sites also.....

    Debunked, is the comment which you're referring to this:

     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #206
    satan is the author of lies - but yes..


     
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  7. qiyamat

    qiyamat Peon

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    #207
    You clearly haven't checked.

    http://www.fertilityfriend.com/Faqs/Gender-Selection-The-Shettles-Method.html

    To Get A Boy (According to Shettles):
    To Get a Girl (According to Shettles):
    While you tried to ridicule hadith concerning how a seventh century couple may influence the gender of their offspring, in actual fact scientists are now theorizing that who orgasms first does have an influence on the baby's gender. Oh the irony!
     
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  8. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #208
    more denial from spdude. Nobody denies the existance of Joan of Arc. Especially the catholic church which recently apologized for burning her at the stake.

    "In addition I've addressed every single point you presented."

    Yes you have. And you've done a fine job proving Mr M is not a real prophet.

    http://www.naturalsolutionsradio.com/articles/article.html?id=14902&filter=topic

    "- Fertility doctor Landrum Shettles of Colombia University in New York sold more than a million copies of his book, "How to Choose the Sex of Your Baby," that supposedly offered couples sexual techniques and timing that would ensure their offspring's gender. The Shettles Method has never been shown to have any validity."

    Even better,
    http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/333/23/1517

    New England Journal of Medicine study disproving the Shettles method.

    But do feel free to keep trying.
     
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  9. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #209
    This is how stupid that whole story is about the guy asking the prophet to prove himself:

    In order to know if the prophet is telling the truth it is necessary to know what the truth is to begin with. Or in the case of prophecy, to be able to verify it later.

    Two of his answers were prophecy. Unverifiable in this life time. So unless the guy already knew the answer to those questions there was no way to know Mr M was telling the truth. And if the guy already knew the answers from another source then obviously Mr M could have known the answers from that source as well.

    As for the last one, it's be disproven to begin with and yet with no means to verify the answer, the guy just accepts it as truth.

    What this indicates is, the guy already believed that Mohammed was a prophet.

    In summary, it's a stupid story. Although the guy does represent your typical Muslim: they believe everything the prophet says without question.
     
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  10. spdude

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    #210
    Of course he knew the answers to begin with from some Jewish prophetic source. He was testing the Prophet. The verification was instant, because he already knew the answers!

    Your saying the Prophet (pbuh) had access to the same source does not help you because he gave the answers instantly... he never said let me get back to you on those. His have knowing the answers from the same source prior to the question is a rational possibility... and this is why Muslims do not present that particular hadtih as a proof of messengership. The questioner obviously never gave any weight to this possibilty and embraced Islam regardless.

    Don't forget you were the one who quoted that incident to begin with.
     
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  11. spdude

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    #211
    The matter is more fundamental than this! Please stop beating around the bush and start proving the textual authenticity of your scriptures.

    The sex of the baby issue mentioned about in the Hadith was not a suggestion on how couples can intentionally influence the gender of their baby... that's not what the Hadith is about.
     
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  12. qiyamat

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    #212
    This doesn't say that it has been disproven by experiment, nor does it give any scientific basis to disprove it. All it is saying is that it has never been tested independently (by experiment). That is why I used the word theorizing for now since Shettles has given a scientific explanation of why this might happen, your first article doesn't counter that explanation, in fact it doesn't say much at all. In addition, he has claimed to have done some testing showing positive results. Generally the point being that there are (non-Muslim) scientists that seem to believe timing of orgasm has an effect whereas you dismissed the whole idea as nonsense and still can't handle it.

    You've simply taken a quote somewhere linking this article as disproving Shettles method, without actually reading the article. If you did read the article it discusses "the timing of sexual intercourse in relation to ovulation" not the timing of orgasm! Get the difference? Shettles method suggests a variety of methods, one of which is the timing of orgasm which is what the hadith mentions, this article doesn't mention timing of orgasm at all. Sorry but you fail at science.

    Indeed you should.
     
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  13. KalvinB

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    #213
    "Please stop beating around the bush and start proving the textual authenticity of your scriptures."

    Whether the Bible is true or not is entirely irrelavent. You've done a fine job proving that Mr M is no better than Joan of Arc.

    And since you have lost interest in proving your own religion we can all safetly conclude you think your religion is bogus.
     
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  14. KalvinB

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    #214
    "Of course he knew the answers to begin with from some Jewish prophectic source. "

    So you admit it. Mr M was not a prophet. He was just as aware of the Jewish prophecies as the person testing him. At best, Mr M proved his knowledge of JEWISH prophecy. He did nothing to prove his ability to prophecy himself.

    When Jesus was 12 and in the temple they were amazed at his understanding of the scriptures. But nobody at that time thought he was a prophet. If knowing the Bible makes you a prophet well then there are probably a number of prophets on this forum.
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #215
    Yes, it does. It's wrong no matter who's doing it :rolleyes:
     
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  16. KalvinB

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    #216
    http://www.indiaparenting.com/articles/data/art05_001.shtml

    "Dr. Wells has written that as early as 1200 BC, the book of Leviticus in the Bible mentions that couples who wish to have sons should make sure that the woman orgasms before the man. "

    http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/articles/pdf/v06/06HarvJLTech001.pdf#search=leviticus

    "Interpreting Leviticus, Rabbi Isaac states in the Babylonian Talmud that ifa woman "emits her semen" first she bears a male child; if the man "emits his semen" first she bears a female child. H Interpreting these words as a reference to orgasm, and attentive to all possibilities, the Talmud opines that if both man and woman "emit semen" simultaneously, a single offspring would be hermaphroditic, and twins would be one of each."

    Even if it is true, it was first written in the BIBLE. Mr M was just aware of what was written in the Bible. Which further confirms spdudes theory that Mr M was aware of Jewish prophecy and writings and that nothing he said was his own.

    Funny. In all the Muslim literature this concept is attributed to Mr M. I would have never guessed it was in the Bible and they certainly were closed lip about it.
     
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  17. lorien1973

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    #217
    Appropriate Austin Powers Quote!

    Alotta Fagina: In Japan, men come first and women come second.
    Austin Powers: Or sometimes not at all.
     
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  18. spdude

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    #218
    It's the absolutely most relevent thing in this world for you. Believe me. You are basing your afterlife on quotes which you have no idea are devine or not.

    Please repeat anything above which was left unanswered.
     
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    #219
    Dude, I NEVER PRESENTED THAT AS A PROOF!!!!!!

    My purpose was just to show it is true.

    Just admit it you thought something was silly and an error by quoting that hadith and now it's been proven and you actually accept yourself that there is no error. Does it prove prophethood for me and you.. NO IT DOESN'T.. I never claimed it did.

    Everything he said was directly from God confrming alot of what was in the Bible (not because of copying but because the souce i.e. God is the same), and disagreeing with much also, because the Bible never has been textually preserved. (Do you see why proving this is very relevant fo you!).

    Agreement between the two does not harm us. We believe it was the same God who sent down Moses and Jesus and Abraham, and our Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all.

    At least be man enough to admit something you thought was a complete error and silly, turned out to be prophetic.
     
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  20. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #220
    Well it beats the crap out of praying to a false prophet. :eek:
     
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