Islam calls us Jews and Christians, Pigs and Monkeys

true......
but this iran fiasco is getting silly,i think its time for that prick ahmejibad (stupid dick has a crap name,i cant even spell it) to shut his face.
In real life hes about 4 foot 3 of something (about as tall as shortd81 )
Time to get serious,we should threaten iran not just with embargos and such forth we should get militant.
If he can get violent to us then we can do the same.....10 times worse.

 

When you can't even grasp the gist of a children's cartoon, you really need help. You quoted me where I asked two separate questions (which you chose to ignore entirely):

1) Where exactly does the animation imply that Jews today are descended from those apes that were soon destroyed by God? (This question is clearly to do with the animation)

2) If Islam is anti-Jew due to the apes and pigs thing, why does a hadith say the same will happen to Muslims in the future? (Which is clearly not to do with the animation but the hadith you posted earlier)

So we have a scene described (in the animation) in the ancient past where part of a Jewish tribe were destroyed by God, by having them turned into apes and swine, for their sins. The righteous side of the tribe (Jewish too) are saved from this punishment. If any Jews live today the animation obviously implies they would be descended from the righteous side, not the side that was eliminated. This should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of sense, but you have trouble grasping a simple children's animation.

We also have a hadith that states sometime in the future a group of Muslims will suffer the same fate.

From this you come up with some ignorant questions "Are you suggesting Muslims in the animation..." I am not suggesting any Muslims (as in those led by Muhammad) are in the animation, the animation involves ancient Jews as I have repeatedly pointed out but you choose to ignore.

Then you asked, "Are you suggesting now that muslims are sons of apes and jews?" Heh another Freudian slip? Why did you write jews there? Are you equating jews with pigs? Like I said before you spout out this hatred enough and you yourself start to believe it. Perhaps you shouldn't lie with dogs, then you won't get fleas. Anyway, I'll blank out your slip-up and pose it as, "Are you suggesting now that muslims are sons of apes"

Again, you can't show me exactly where I have suggested that since I haven't. There are no sons of apes (or pigs) at all, that is something hate-mongers like you, MEMRI and nameless Muslims in the Middle East like to encourage. Simply the transformation into such things was a form of punishment where they didn't give any offspring, so how could there be any "sons of apes" of Jews or Muslims or anyone?

What are you on about, MEMRI doesn't list exactly who works for it. Unless you can tell us? The Wiki entry (read it this time) shows that there is plenty of criticism about MEMRI, not just from Muslims but "Vincent Cannistraro, a former counterintelligence official with the CIA" and "William Rugh, former US ambassador" for example.

That's right, you just want war.

That is odd since my request in post #12 for someone to find a Muslim source was eagerly met by you in post #15, therefore my "demands" must have meant a lot to you. I pointed out time and again that you were a failure since it is not a Muslim source, whereas you reckoned it was a valid answer. When you realised that it is an Israeli source I'm afraid it is you that has gone into denial. And, we did agree it was an Israeli source. I pointed it out with reference in various posts and finally in post #41 where you give in with the words "Thanks, that's cleared up now."

But earlier you said my demands do not mean anything to you. Again the source is not what I asked, since we've established it is an Israeli organisation criticized for its Zionist agenda (check Wiki). Nowhere I have said Muslims can't come out with hate-inciting talk, but you are clearly the equivalent to such people except you live in the Western world.

No need to argue with that, Israel is a brutal regime and I think the recent "war" in Lebanon proves that.

Does history go back more than one post for you? The scholar (Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid) I quoted is NOT the scholar (Tantawi) that MEMRI allegedly quoted and furthermore the scholar I quote is clearly not referring to Jews as pigs or apes, but it is you that just wants to believe it without even reading. You are coming up with some preposterous replies here.

 

I haven't really participated much in this debate so I'll just start small here...

Um, the folks in Lebanon attacking Israel are terrorists. Israel only REACTS, they never have done anything rash unless something happens to them first.

 

Right, so they do rash things when something happens to them (your words, and the UN's belief too). Let's see Hizbollah capture two soldiers (claiming Israel holds many of theirs), in return Israel destroys half of Lebanon and kills plenty of civilians whilst Hizbollah seem to be unaffected. A truly measured and civilised response? Nope, a truly stupid and rash one. I don't want to sway this thread too far off track, but it isn't true that Israel only reacts, since they acted in 1948 to form Israel by force, creating hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees. Feel free to start up a thread on Israel.

 

I like euphemisms too If you want to run with the big dogs, you gotta learn to hike your leg in tall grass.

And there we have it, the final admissions that muslims (I've never said "all") refer to Jews as sons of pigs and apes.

So you admit it, but you deny it. Kind of like john kerry was for it, before he was against it.

Yet with that admission, you want to dismiss it as a source because the founder is a Jew (yeah, yeah, Israeli, we know, don't we?).

Really? Has that been a part of this discussion? So now that you are losing your pitiful debate to prove that Jews are not referred to as sons of pigs an apes, while admitting it takes place above, you want to take it to a different level? What a coward!

Incorrect, I've pointed out your failures and repeated denial. Oh yes, and how you continue to overlook the video. But then it doesn't matter does it, because above, you clearly admit muslims refer to Jews as sons of pigs and apes. But given your level of sheer stupidy so far, you will probably now deny you said it

Again, I do not care about your "specific" demands, you got what I provided and it put you in your place And now you want to judge me again by saying I'm the equivalent of those that do call Jews sons of pigs and apes.

Can I tell you something? You are absolutely hilarious in your twisted denial! It didn't happen, it did. He's a Jew, it doesn't count. Wipe your tears son!

The war in Lebanon proved people like you and your buds there are cowards and hide behind women, children and the UN as human shields. Those brave mujahadeen to hide behind children. They even do the same crap in Iraq. Cowards.

I personally don't care who you quote. I'm the one doing the quoting. You may continue to deny them. Don't forget that 600 new ones I listed earlier and definitely don't forget to deny the video. Oh, but wait, you openly admit above that muslims do call Jews pigs and apes.

Any more denial?

 

Far be it from to help out a muslim (imam??) in their time of need, but brotherman, you need some help! As such, and being a proud infidel, I'd like to offer you some study material so you can brush up on your skills:

Taqiyya and Kitman

It details some good strategies that might help you do a better job

 

I've never thought that Muslims can be incapable of hate-speech, but the teachings of Islam do not in any way make such statements, as I have continually explained. It is only the likes of you, in the West and Islamic world, that promote such belief, the people that civilisation should regard in disgust.

When you say "...Muslims..." (only now do you sheepishly point out that you "never said all") you, by definition, imply this is the teaching of Islam, maybe "Muslims can..." would be more acceptable provided you explain yourself fully. This is why I request a source from a Muslim scholar of Islam, a single dubious video of an unknown three year-old shown and translated by an the Israeli organisation, MEMRI, doesn't pass and it's laughable to think it does; I'm sure you wouldn't blindly accept anything from a Muslim source about Israel and don't regard hate messages by White Nationlists as representative of a nation's stance (or maybe you do?).

I dismiss it because it is not a Muslim source as I asked for it to be, since I learn about religions from a valid scholarly source, officially representing that religion. You learn about Islam from Israeli Zionists (whether they are Jews is irrelevant) which shows your bigotry. It's akin to learning about the police from a criminal.

Yes, you speak like them, you promote that same belief, and you have made a telling Freudian slip that replaced the intended word "pigs" with "jews." So, I think I'm justified. Next!

 

Really, so in addition to blaming Jews, it's now my fault that muslims call Jews sons of pigs and apes? I suppose you think it's my fault that this little girl has been purposely taught to call them that as well? While we're at it, why not give me personal credit for these instances of the descendants of apes and pigs?

Anything else you'd like to blame me personally, or Jews in general for? How about the 140 people killed in the name of islam yesterday?

I've provided numerous sources. As I've pointed out, the fact that you want to dismiss them because the founder of an organization is a Jew, is your problem. You've done nothing but make excuses, while I've sourced time and again.

They are all listed right here, complete with sources. If you take excerps of these hateful people you are defending and paste into a search engine, you can find other instances of them as well.

The only thing you've done is dismiss everything. That's not debating, that's denial. And you have mastered denial quite well. But you need to brush up on your taqiyya and kitman skills.

I accept them because it isn't a muslim source. After all, we are both aware that it is permissible for muslims to lie to the infidel, no? I have no doubt you hold Jews in contempt. Comparing them to criminals, etc. You've been programmed and taught to hate them. That's your problem, not mine. The sources are valid, they hold true, they are quoted and your dismissal of them because the founder is Jewish shows your bigotry.

So you once again admit that muslims refer to Jews as sons of pigs and apes. I'm glad you can admit this, once again.

Did you have any other denial? If not, feel free to practice your kitman and taqiyya skills on me further with another topic. As a proud infidel, I'm always happy to help weak muslims out with their false propaganda and religion.

 

Point out where I have stated it is your personal fault that a few Muslims call Jews with insults. Nowhere, and nor have I blamed "Jews" for anything, per se, you pull ideas straight out of thin air, or could it be your head.

Indeed, whereas bigots such as yourself generalise nations, religions and races, I treat people for their individual conduct (or "blame" personally). I object to your continued attempt to convince readers that Islam teaches the concept that people can be descended from apes and pigs, furthermore your attempts to convince readers that you have "numerous sources" whereas in reality you have just one source, MEMRI. Even in your Google search of keywords "descendants of apes and pigs" I checked the first three links and they all use MEMRI as their source, of course you continue to ignore annoying things like facts and reject this despite it staring you in the face but those of us that can discern will understand better. Fact is your agenda is to spread hate of Muslims generally, essentially a pathetic attempt to undo five years of peace-making dialogue that the vast majority of Muslims throughout the world have brought about.

Typically you try to claim that somehow I don't acknowledge MEMRI because it is a Jewish source. This isn't true at all, as I said I don't get my information about Islam from non-Islamic sources. It is you who is putting the word "Jew" in there whereas I have always referred to MEMRI as non-Muslim or Israeli or more specifically, Zionist. Israelis are not necessarily Jewish and vice versa, something that small-minded people who don't read beyond Fox, CNN or MEMRI fail to grasp. I am happy to accept your rejection of Muslim sources of Jewish beliefs, providing you do not use non-Muslim sources of Islamic belief; however it seems you prefer the bigoted method in determining religious dogma.

As I have pointed out none of the sources actually WORK:

See on the MEMRI webpage where I have quoted some text, check the reference labelled [1]. The link is invalid. This shows how dubious MEMRI is.

MEMRI simply blows up a handful of unverifiable comments by unknown or untraceable people in the Middle East. Similiar to Muslims who allocate over-importance for Danish cartoons or Papal speeches in the Muslim world. You are no different, just another sad aspect of the world.

Still waiting for you to point out where in the animation we are supposed to conclude that Jews are descended from apes and pigs. Give me the textual understanding of the scene in question and explain who are the Grandfather, boy and the others who are looking at the dead apes and pigs. Furthermore how these dead apes and pigs are supposed to produce offspring.

Still waiting for you to explain how is it that Islam can be considered biased against Jews if hadith also state that Muslims will in future be turned into apes and pigs.

Still waiting for you to point out a valid source that isn't MEMRI or derived from MEMRI.

Still waiting for you to make sense.

 

HAHAHA! That has got to be one of the worst attempts I've seen here. GTech, you're really putting the smackdown to work here.

 

I did not state that you said such. If you were smart enough to actually read and comprehend, you'd see my post at 5:59pm today that I asked questions and even futher, I took the time to bold your comments that sparked such questions.

Might I also point out here, that instead of answering these questions, you came up with the above statement to start your post. In fact, you blamed "only the likes of you, in the West and Islamic world, that promote such belief, the people that civilisation should regard in disgust." for the shortcomings of muslims calling Jews pigs and apes. Anyone but islam, right? Islam can't *ever* be wrong

Really? Because it looks to me like, when you spouted off "only the likes of you, in the West and Islamic world, that promote such belief, the people that civilisation should regard in disgust." to blame everyone else but islam for calling Jews pigs and apes, it sure seems like you are making generalizations. You've most certainly not treated me for my conduct, since it's your buds you are defending for making this kind of hatred, but blaming me for it.

 

Obviously you don't understand the expression, the "likes of you" mean people like you, not specifically you personally. In the context, meaning people who share your twisted sense of thinking that, for example, the idea that one act by civilian people represents a nation's stance. So there you have it, I didn't say that you personally were responsible for hatred against Jews but you are responsible for the hatred against Muslims generally, as though they are all guilty; which is the same form of thinking the Muslims who allegedly describe "Jews" with insults use.

You also claim that I didn't "answer these questions." Fact of the matter is I did answer the post where you ask, "it's now my fault that muslims call Jews sons of pigs and apes?" when I stated in response to the question, "Nowhere, and nor have I blamed "Jews" for anything, per se." Amusingly, you even quoted me stating that in your last post but ignored it and claimed I didn't answer.

Why don't you quote my where I said it was because he was Jewish, I simply haven't, only you mentioned the word Jew. I repeatedly said it was because he was non-Muslim, and rightly so since I don't learn about Islam off non-Muslims. Big difference there.

Well it certainly isn't my problem that they don't work. Like I said, there is no valid source.

But we both agree that it is a Jewish tribe, in fact I pointed this out to you many posts back but you have literacy issues. You keep shying away from the real question: Explain who are the Grandfather, boy and the others that are looking at the dead apes and pigs at the end? Are they Jews too or not?

And the other question, how can dead apes and pigs produce offspring?

As a sidenote, you're belief is that they are Jewish because of their blonde hair and side curls, while mine is because of the reference to Sabbath. Somewhat racist comment by you. Actually one cannot tell whether they are representing Arabs or Jews merely by their appearance, it really shows your ignorance; get out more.


In regard to the others you reply:

That's right, ignore them. Only way things could ever work in your favor.

 

I understand it quite well and I understand your use of it. You cannot help your bigotry, I understand. You have been conditioned to it.

We saw exactly who and how you blamed. Continued denial isn't going to help you here.

Why don't you stop playing games? You know you said he was Israeli and that was the reason you wouldn't accept it. Jewish/Israeli. You certainly wouldn't have said such with an muslim Israeli. Do you still want to pretend?

I beg to differ, the sources have been presented in number. And in every case, including the video, animation, about.com and all the others, your only response has been either a) I won't accept because he's a Jew (Israeli) or absolute denial. You can't help your bigotry, I understand.

Now you want to claim they are Jewish, but still deny it. I don't care about the grandfather, the boy or any other diversionary tactic. I've more than proved that islam has a history of referring to Jews as pigs and apes. That's the bottom line. You've addmitted such numerous times when initially you tried to lie about it. You've been owned.

I've taken no issue with anything dead. My contention all along has been that islam has a history of calling Jews pigs and apes. I have demostrated that quite well. On one hand, you even agree and admit this, but try to blame others (including "the likes of people like me") for islam's bigotry and hatred for Jews. On the other hand, you've openly admitted this is true. You've lost. My contention was quite simple, while you've tried in vain to make it a complicated issue through denial and eventually, admission.

Debate is over. My point was made, I've provided sources and in the end, you've tried to blame others for the shortcomings of islam. You've admitted islam does have a history of calling Jews pigs and apes. Case closed.

 

Can you explain the exodus of Christians in Lebanon in the 70s by muslims?

 

qiyamat - keep trying defending your terrorist friend, you are making yourself look like ignorant and you are succeed.

The true is most of us knows about all your scams and your denial:
* We all know about your scandalous "quran"
* We all know about your scandalous mohammad
* We all know about your terror actions that you did and regretfully will do
* We all know about your scams and intrigues
* We all know about your hatred for Jews Christians and the West
* We all know about your intention to take over israel
* We all know about your intention to get nukes and why you want it so bad

ETC ...

 

Some more of the hatred, clearly depicting that Jews are apes and pigs, among other vile hatred.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901769_pf.html

No doubt syriankid will have an excuse for this. It's probably the infidel's fault, some how.

I guess we just wait and see what his next tactical denial/excuse is.

 

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you seem to repeat what I've said about you, regarding bigotry and being conditioned in some way.

Jewish does not mean Israeli, there are Arab-Israelis for example; but the point is that he is not Muslim (and criticized for his anti-Islamic bias; as per Wiki) therefore not a valid source of information about Islam. But I forget, you are the sort who would get information about the police from the mafia.

In post #17, pretty much my first response to the cartoon, I stated that, "we can infer they were Jewish," so your comment that only now I, "want to claim they are Jewish," (as though I have just decided) is a foolish rebuke.

Here you go again, ignoring essential points in the animation. The surviving Grandfather, boy and others at the end of the animation are indeed Jewish and it is from them that the modern day Jews descend. This is the key point you neglect, one can safely assume you neglect it knowingly now since it is definitely clear you don't want to answer.

I suspected you would try to bail out here since you were faced with questions you have no answer for. The point made is that you are a stubborn and duplicitous individual who enjoys presenting Islam in the worst possible light whilst crying foul when you see the same kind of individuals as yourself talk of Westerners in a negative way.

Throughout the thread you wasted your words on pointless repetitions of non-sensical language about denial, hundreds of sources that are in reality all from MEMRI (an anti-Arab/Islam organisation), and that I am somehow admitting something when I am clearly not. Having gone beyond the point of desperation, you have called the "case closed" (from your point of view) I should not expect you to reply, yet I wouldn't be surprised if your strained ego has the better of you.

 

See my last post.

Recite after me:

"I have been owned."

"My kitman and taqiyah skills are weak."

"I have failed to fool the infidels through denial."

"I have been openly caught lying in the cause of allah."

"I have failed to earn any virgins in this exercise."

 

So you're actually saying that about yourself? Fair enough, but I won't recite anything from you. Sign of the failure to argue is that you've given up and resorted purely to cheap shots. As I said, "I should not expect you to reply, yet I wouldn't be surprised if your strained ego has the better of you."

 

Are you referring to the Lebanese Civil War, in which there was an exodus of Christians and Muslims? How does this relate to my post (or this thread)?