Pope criticized Islam

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by roiei, Sep 14, 2006.

  1. spdude

    spdude Guest

    Messages:
    1,315
    Likes Received:
    86
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #181
    who would have known
     
    spdude, Sep 18, 2006 IP
  2. roiei

    roiei Banned

    Messages:
    842
    Likes Received:
    18
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #182
    spdude - stop throwing sand to my eyes
     
    roiei, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  3. Dead Corn

    Dead Corn Peon

    Messages:
    1,072
    Likes Received:
    21
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #183
    Kalvin B writes: "Actually Christ is literally the word of God and by the word of God many were killed in the Flood, Sadom and Gamorah, Judgement Day, etc."

    Show me one place where Christ commanded anyone to kill??? One place.

    You should stop being an apologist and call a spade a spade.

    Want to see where Mohammed told others to kill?

    And, of course, it cannot be proven that mohammed was a messenger of god because mohammed was a phony, a murderer, and a lover of small girls.

    Grow up.

    IN Christ
     
    Dead Corn, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  4. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,004
    Likes Received:
    116
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    105
    #184
    That's nothing new about urin. People used it before islam hass even started. I'm not talking about camel urin but human urin is used.
    Even today peole using it as cure for pimples and kind of acne.What's the point?

    One of my former surgeon friends trank urin to test for diabetes. Yes, there was a time not too long ago with no laboratories.
     
    Arnie, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  5. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

    Messages:
    2,787
    Likes Received:
    78
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #185
    spdude:

    Do you belive Joan of Arc was a prophet of God?

    "Show me one place where Christ commanded anyone to kill??? One place."

    Jesus Christ while on earth never did. But through the prophets as the word of God he certainly did. Jesus literally is the word of God. So anytime God commanded an army that was Jesus.
     
    KalvinB, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  6. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

    Messages:
    2,787
    Likes Received:
    78
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #186
    "That's nothing new about urin. People used it before islam hass even started."

    There was another one I pointed out.

    Last I checked who comes first doesn't determine the sex of a child.

    The other two questions can not be validated until death or judgement day.

    Hardly proof of being a prophet considering the one that could be validated, failed to be true.
     
    KalvinB, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  7. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

    Messages:
    7,298
    Likes Received:
    416
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    310
    #187
    I went down a few of these results and checked what was being said - I was rather surprised by what I read. These guys come across as if they are knowledgeable, but every point I read that they said a prophesy didn't happen or was incorrect was either ignorance on their part or purposely misleading. (I will have to go with the misleading answer)

    After reading some of it I am assuming they are mostly muslim led sites, since the style of misleading information is the same as the sites "muslim" was posting here. Most everything is easily debunked, or they just try to change the meaning of words to make something that it isn't.

    Kind of like the virginity test that the sick minded professor had on his site!

    BTW, for those who have fallen for the lies of Islam - muslim are allowed to lie to infidels - that is ok for them to do, so research and not be mislead!
     
    debunked, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  8. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

    Messages:
    2,787
    Likes Received:
    78
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #188
    For those who may be wondering, Joan of Arc also prophecied victorious battles and was correct.

    She was burned because she also had false prophecies.

    Like Muhammed, God may have given her a glimpse of the future for whatever purpose but she then turned into a liar and used that gift to decieve people into believing her lies.

    That is why the test is 100% accuracy. Not 99.9%. Once a prophet lies to you, it's over. They can no longer be trusted. spdude denies this because he knows that Mr M gave false prophecies.
     
    KalvinB, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  9. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

    Messages:
    23,694
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    440
    #189
    The Pope 1 - Islam 0

    They should change his name to Popediddy and have him where a bit more gold.
     
    Mia, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  10. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,619
    Likes Received:
    206
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    185
    #190
    spdude are you saying it's ok to wage war and kill people in order to install islamic law all over the world?

    If that's the case (and the majority of muslims believe it) I can no longer hate all religions equally, I'm now going to have to despise islam more than scientology, more than jehovas witnesses, more than mormons and even more than chistianity.

    And whats up with muslims always saying "peace and blessings of God be upon him." after any mentions of allah or mohamed? Can't you just say it once, whats all the repetition about?
     
    yo-yo, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  11. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

    Messages:
    2,787
    Likes Received:
    78
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #191
    because he'll go to hell if he doesn't say it every time he mentions Mr M (sbuh)
     
    KalvinB, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  12. mr_unknown

    mr_unknown Peon

    Messages:
    27
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #192
    can i ask u a question do u have a source about what u had said
     
    mr_unknown, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  13. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,619
    Likes Received:
    206
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    185
    #193
    Can't any of you [insert degrading word of choice here] understand that if you'd just accept god is make believe and not real we could get over all the violence once and for all.. :rolleyes:
     
    yo-yo, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  14. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

    Messages:
    23,694
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    440
    #194
    Pathetic...
     
    Mia, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  15. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

    Messages:
    12,206
    Likes Received:
    601
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    260
    #195
    Go over there and work on that yo and see how long your head stays attached :rolleyes: You have already been singled out as one of the primary candidates to be exterminated. Seems like you'd be slightly more passionate about your right to exist, if you were being honest, at least.
     
    lorien1973, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  16. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,619
    Likes Received:
    206
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    185
    #196
    I just said in the post before that if what spdude has implied is true, i can no longer hate all religion equally...islam has taken the cake. Not an easy accomplishment with all the murders christianity has under it's belt :cool:
     
    yo-yo, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  17. spdude

    spdude Guest

    Messages:
    1,315
    Likes Received:
    86
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #197
    A state will wage war against another state to change the government. Does that sound familiar?

    I actually don't have a problem with biblical prophecy in general. I would disagree with the majority of those results also. Go back and look carefully in which context did I paste the link to the Google result.
     
    spdude, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  18. spdude

    spdude Guest

    Messages:
    1,315
    Likes Received:
    86
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #198
    There is no referrence of this person in our text. You need to quote the relevent verses which talk about this from your scriptures. Once done, you need to validate the textual authenticity of the scriptures you just quoted in order to prove that it is all devinely revealed.... Only then can I concider providing some sort of reply. Please be honest and prove the textual authenticity of your scriptures.

    Arnie, you'e missing that it was our freind Kalvin who quoted the urin narration and bolded the wording as if to mock the message. I wasn't the one who presented that as a prophecy ;)


    I'll answer that by providing a more detailed Hadith than the one you quoted:

    Thauban, the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), said: "While I was standing beside the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one of the rabbis of the Jews came and said: Peace be upon you, O Muhammad. I pushed him back with a push that he was going to fall. Upon this he said: Why do you push me? I said: Why don't you say: O Messenger of Allah? The Jew said: We call him by the name by which he was named by his family. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: My name is Muhammad with which I was named by my family. The Jew said: I have come to ask you (something). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Should that thing be of any benefit to you, if I tell you that? He (the Jew) said: I will lend my ears to it. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) drew a line with the help of the stick that he had with him and then said: Ask (whatever you like). Thereupon the Jew said: Where would the human beings be on the Day when the earth would change into another earth and the heavens too (would change into other heavens)? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: They would be in darkness beside the Bridge. He (the Jew) again said: Who amongst people would be the first to cross (this bridge).? He said: They would be the poor amongst the refugees. The Jew said: What would constitute their breakfast when they would enter Paradise? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: A caul of the fish-liver. He (the Jew) said. What would be their food alter this? He (the Holy Prophet) said: A bullock which was fed in the different quarters of Paradise would be slaughtered for them. He (the Jew) said: What would be their drink? He (the Holy Prophet) said: They would be given drink from the fountain which is named" Salsabil". He (the Jew) said: I have come to ask you about a thing which no one amongst the people on the earth knows except an apostle or one or two men besides him. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Would it benefit you if I tell you that? He (the Jew) said: I would lend ears to that. He then said: I have come to ask you about the child. He (the Holy Prophet) said: The reproductive substance of man is white and that of woman (i. e. ovum central portion) yellow, and when they have sexual intercourse and the male's substance (chromosomes and genes) prevails upon the female's substance (chromosomes and genes), it is the male child that is created by Allah's Decree, and when the substance of the female prevails upon the substance contributed by the male, a female child is formed by the Decree of Allah. The Jew said: What you have said is true; verily you are an Apostle. He then returned and went away. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: He asked me about such and such things of which I have had no knowledge till Allah gave me that. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0614)"

    ------------------

    This is the more detailed version reported in Sahih Muslim, and the one you quoted above is an abbreviated version. The words used here are "prevails"

    For the purposes of our explanation we will use this more detailed version, and attribute the descrepency between the two versions to an error in the abbreviating of the first narrator.

    -------------------

    How Is Sex Determined?
    By Rick Groleau

    Most of the time, an embryo growing in the womb fully develops into either a male or a female with all the appropriate body parts and, many scientists believe, a mindset programmed according to its gender. What determines its gender -- in most cases -- are its sex chromosomes: two X chromosomes in the nucleus of its original egg cell and it will become a female; a Y and an X chromosome and it will become a male. But exactly what happens in the womb to make a boy or a girl? This interactive feature illustrates the astonishing changes that occur during the first 16 weeks of development.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/gender/determined.html#

    -------------

    Notice the color of the female reproductive substance was mentioned to be yellow in the hadith:

    Corpus Luteum.—After the discharge of the ovum the lining of the follicle is thrown into folds, and vascular processes grow inward from the surrounding tissue. In this way the space is filled up and the corpus luteum formed. It consists at first of a radial arrangement of yellow cells with bloodvessels and lymphatic spaces, and later it merges with the surrounding stroma.

    http://education.yahoo.com/reference/gray/266.html
     
    spdude, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  19. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

    Messages:
    23,694
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    440
    #199
    I would like to see the Pope take on Mohammad in "Celebrity Death Match". Now that would be cool!
     
    Mia, Sep 19, 2006 IP
  20. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

    Messages:
    2,787
    Likes Received:
    78
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #200
    spdude is still talking?

    So far you've proven your prophet as good as Joan of Arc.
     
    KalvinB, Sep 19, 2006 IP