That it would seem logically, however I think it is a misguided thought. Here is why. To be true both would have to be exact clones of each other including the content and things like date of inception link counts, quality of link counts, server environment, exact same coding etc. Now if they are in different categories different coding languages,different content used, or any of the other myriad offerings that can effect rankings, it is easy to see why one site can fare better than the other, even if you have optimized them both the same. Its outside forces which you don't control that can effect things with your site.. Sort of like Googles salad tossing of good websites recently... All in all the important thing to remember..... Do not build your business, by relying on traffic from a sole search engine. Peace
Me too. I have a blog with upsaid.com and I have seen thousands of their pages disappear off the map, including my own blog, but not just blog pages but all (that I can tell) of upsaids own pages including the index page. Yet search google for site:www.upsaid.com and you will see that a fair number of pages do still exist. What would be the point of that if this were done for a purpose? My own index page on my main site has been AWOL in the UK only google search but is still at #1 for the main SERP in the non UK and .com search for quite some time now. It doesn't make sense that this is an SEO penalty. It fits with the data loss / refresh idea to my mind. That's what I hope for anyway. Jez.
Hi Are you saying your .com site cannot be found when a search is done on google.co.uk using pages from the UK only??? if you have a .com site then you should not be found on the .co.uk only as you are not from the .co.uk If you look at Google localized search engines they look in country first for local pages that best fit the search query,,,,after which they will then look in the regional area for pages that best match and then they will look nationally....or internationally.. Hope this helps.
Sem, would you please stop posting all this nonsense and misinformation? That is simply not true. http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/faq.html#country The two major factors in ranking in a regional Google are EITHER a regional TLD, OR hosting in the region. Either one will do.
Hmm.. if server is UK based and IP resolves to UK then the .com site should also appear in the UK only pages. According to Google anyhow. But I have heard others complain of .com sites dropping out of the country specific index so it appears that there is either a problem with the data or a very serious change to the way Google is building country-specific indices.
Hi. No I am not saying that. The site is a .net That's not strictly correct. My .net site has ranked well in the Uk only search for the last two or three years. It's where a site is hosted that plays in this case. If my .net site was hosted anywhere but in the UK it would not rank there. On the other hand a .co.uk domain can be hosted anywhere in the world and still rank in the UK only search. Jez.
Someone needs to red flag him for repeating this same dribble every few posts. It is irrelevant to this thread. It is also unrealistic advice and kind of ironic coming from one who sells SEO services and thus built their business on helping people get search engine traffic.
This is another example of unfounded and incorrect information. For people who haven't figured it out yet do not listen to anything Sem-Advance writes. It is usually very flawed and highly inaccurate; especially what he has written in this thread.
I hope it sorts itself out for you. You have a nice site. I just added you to my directory http://www.hitfix.co.uk/environment/internet/
Thanks Jez. It seems to have sorted itself out with the Sept. 15th update. My site sprung back to the top like a cork in water. Literally my traffic levels are as if July 27th to Sept. 15th never existed. I'm continuing major updates I started after July 27th crash to help reinforce my site. I'm also continuing efforts I began last spring to improve non-Google traffic. It is really shocking that in only a few short years Google has grown from 40% of the market to 80% of the market. I really wish Yahoo and MSN would do a better job of indexing sites and refreshing their search databases such that they competed against Google more effectively.
NP. I think that they possibly do do a better job! I find that MSN and Yahoo both pick up new pages and index them in a more stable fashion than google. Google indexes something and then spits it back out several times beofre deciding whether to allow or disallow, it seems. It must be frustrating to for an ordinary searcher seeing a site in the top 10 for a phrase and the next day not be able to find them in the top 100! Maybe there is a method to the madness but I am not convinced! One of my sites seems to get hit with every update there is - perhaps google have designated some sites as guinee pigs? I am finding it hard to imagine that anyone could be unlucky enough to get caught up in almost every update since Florida! They come back eventually and I have had to put measures in place to try to protect me in the future (secondary site) but it's not finished yet.
Ohh this slaps going to be the best From Google <restrict> - Country and Topic Restricts Google allows you to search for Web information within one or more countries, using an algorithm that considers the top level domain name of the server and the geographic location of the server IP address. And that boys and girls is what happens when you live in a country other than the United States, and use your countries specific Google search engine. http://www.google.com/apis/reference.html Now take the red flags and shove them up your asses !!!
^ That was what you originally posted. What you are now posting is what the rest of us have since said, viz., that TLD is only ONE OF THE FACTORS considered in listings in regional Googles. The statement from Google that you cite says exactly that. So what you have once again demonstrated, Sem, is that you are an ill-informed and rather confused clod. How is that a slap?
Sem You remind me of the guy in the beginning of the Iraq war called the "minister of misinformation". Let's just report him "again" and get him off this post and forum all together. Then he can "search" for a new forum to abuse.
Im still trying to see where it only says "one".... besides in minstrels post.... Maybe reread the parts I posted ......
First of all, Sem, if you knew anything at all about regional Googles you would already have seen plenty of evidence that you don't need a regional TLD to rank. Second, I previously posted this quote from Google:
Maybe they are more stable, but they don't index as thoroughly or as often as Google. Some of my most important pages haven't been reindexed by Yahoo in almost a year (according to their SiteExplorer). Yahoo is too concerned about making money off of websites by charging them really high fees to be indexed. In many fees the extra traffic generated by being indexed regularly would not pay for the fees Yahoo charges. Yahoo needs to focus less on making money off of indexing fees and needs to do a better job of indexing sites more frequently and more thoroughly such that their index stays fresher and is much larger. This is the only way they can attract more users. MSN does a good job of reindexing pages but doesn't crawl sites deep enough. This means it can be very difficult to find what one is looking for on esoteric searches. There has been a tremendous amount of volatility in Google's search results this year, which is a fairly recent occurrence. Traditionally in past years Google's search results were fairly stable with particular pages typically moving up or down in search results in slow steady fashion. I really don't think the AVERAGE user notices these things that much. Google's volatility does, however, provide an opportunity for the other search engines to attract more users if they would capitalize on this opportunity by indexing more pages (in MSN case) and indexing those pages more frequently (in Yahoo's case). I think Google has become so fixated on spammers that they have lost focus of the big picture. If a single site keeps getting hammered by Google updates on a very regular basis, I'd look very closely at the site and make sure there is no SEO tactics that are a little risky. There is no question in my mind that each of the updates (especially the most recent updates) have been picking off innocent sites, but normally completely innocent sites aren't getting picked off time and again by the updates. Until I see Google settle down some, I'm going to be extremely careful how much new content I add to my site and will roll out major additions to some of my database projects (e.g. my chemical database) in small increments. Literally I am going to stay well back from the bleeding edge of SEO or the appearance of SEO as possible even if this means reducing the amount of useful content I add to my site for my users.
--Offtopic-- Bagdag Bob was the best straight man routine of the war. He was way funnier than Leno or Letterman. I wonder what he is up to these days???
I also thought that to begin with. However, after reading one of the marathon threads on WMW I saw that there were in fact quite a few webmasters saying precisely the same as me. That their sites were repeatedly hit with the updates. As in mostly of these types of cases, some had some similarities but most did not fit any criteria that I could see (or that the site owners themselves could see). My site is pretty clean as far as I can tell. Though it wasn't always so, some of the SEO was possibly not in the best interest. Sometimes these drops can cause us to clean up a bit but I am fairly sure that all the on site stuff is OK. It's not excessively interlinked with my other sites. Hardly at all in fact. Perhaps once a site is flagged for something it is always so - there is no way of knowing. Besides which, if the site weren't as innocent as I hope that it is I am sure that it wouldn't keep bouncing back after the update - along with all the other innocent casualties.
If you wouldn't mind, I'd love it if you PM'd me the site in question. I'd love to look through it and see if I notice any glaring issues. Also do you participate in DP's coop network?