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If pointing out logical fallacies improve the quality of discussion, I see no problem in doing this.

Gee, I'm sorry that you missed out the sarcasm in that post. I wasn't really "arguing" about anything, except that to point out that his line of "reasoning" is no different from the Third Reich. That makes him a "xenophobic, fascist-Nazi wannabe" in my book, don't you agree?

Obviously, the premise that the "Qua'ran[sic] forbids a civilized Muslim society" is false to begin with.

 

I'm not going to waste my time clipping in links to all your posts, but I'd say a good 50% of them or more make no argument whatsoever, and instead only assert logical fallacy. It might add to the quality of the discussion if your assertions are valid, but they usually are not. You simply use them as a tool to avoid arguing the topic at hand. For the most part, it just adds to the overall sense of hypocrisy and ignorance coming from your posts.

In your book? Your book finds no hypocrisy in promoting pornography in direct contradiction to Islamic values. Your book doesn't classify sex with a 9 year old as child molestation. Your book doesn't find any issues with genocide, racial and religious intolerance, and the oppression of freedom speech.

Am I the only one who finds comedy in your statement, "I wasn't really "arguing" about anything, except...." where you once again present your red herring argument? If you have evidence that Qua'ranic values do not prevent the Muslims who strictly adhere to them from being civilized, present it! Argue the topic! I am just dying to hear how Islam at its core permits the basic values of Western Civilization such as freedom of religion, free speech, the rights of the individual, the idea that all humans are equal regardless of ethnicity (Jews included), and the right to promote pornographic websites!

Just as obvious as the idea Mohammad didn't get a hand job from a six year old? It might be obvious to you, but the rest of us still seem to have a few questions about it, which is why we are discussing it. When you are able to man up, discuss the topic at hand, and quit hiding behind idiotic accusations of the logical fallacies you are usually guilty of yourself, you might find yourself able to improve and evolve your opinion by means of a rational conversation. Some have said Islam is immune to reason and rationale, but I for one am not buying it. Christians managed it a few centuries ago, I fail to see why Islam can't pull it off as well.

 

How is that so? Could you further argue that point? Have you seen how Women are treated in Saudi Arabia according to the Quranic teaching?

When the truth comes out through the powerful media we have today, even by a Coptic priest - The typical reaction is Kill the infidel. So is that civilized too?

 

This verse from the Qua'ran specifically forbids Muslims from behaving like civilized human beings:

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. ​

I find it appalling that people who claim to be Muslims try to argue with the Qua'ran. It's your holy book -- you're supposed to #^$#&^%$^& respect it.

 

Taken out of context, as Surah at-Tauba is often misused, by those who have an axe to grind against Islam and the Muslims. A proper insight into Sura at-Tauba which gives a detailed analysis of what it is about.

I find it appalling that these people think they can be an instant "expert" on Islam and tell Muslims how to behave simply by isolating Qur'anic verses, without properly defining the context and the purpose behind its Revelation.

 

You should be the last one who is talking about such issue because Israel is based on this behavior you are insulting.

Dogs of Israel are very well trained such that they attack the Quran and muslims for some action while giving respect for the jewish country which behaves according to "kill the infidels and drive them out of their land; This land is ours, God wrote it for us. Palestinians should go out".

 

Oy vey. I think I'm turning Jewish, I'd better go buy a kippah.

Jews can drink, right? I'm not converting to any f^%$$ing religion that prohibits alcohol.

Actually, I just love it when Muslims assume that anyone who is against tyranny and murder must be a Jew.

 

Deuteronomy 7:1-4 exemplifies the behaviour of the Israelis.

"When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you."

And these people want to teach us the Qur'an, hah! They should examine their own Bible first!

 

Have you seen how black people and jews are treated in Germany at the time of Hitler according to the Bibulic teaching?

When the lies come out through the powerful media we have today, even by a Coptic priest - is that civilized?

Why is it civilized that you attack us, our religion, our prophet, and our God while it is not civilized that we respond to you according to Jesus' teaching that you claim to follow as the absolute truth.

Do you see how the way is blocked between us because of your one eyed ugly face and double standard judgment?

 

So funny. In one breath you disparage the book of the Jews, as if you are an "instant expert in the jewish faith", in the next you try and explain away the satanic text in the Qur'an. Hey listen, I can sympathize. Seriously. The old testament is a pretty racist book. You Muslims talk all the time about the Jews as if they are the "Chosen ones" referring to their book. Can you blame the rest of the planet for looking into your book and seeing what a bunch of racists it breeds? Polite Teen could be the poster child. Even more comedic are the efforts of Muslim racists(like Polite Teen) who try and claim all Israelis follow Judaism, and are therefore the evil "chosen ones" in need of extermination. It would seem being a hypocrite is a pre-requisite for many Muslims. God knows you've earned your brown wings Awinsjclarke.

 

We have a small library of Judeo-Christian texts here. My husband has a strong interest in Judaism and Christianity, he has been studying those two for quite awhile. I may not be up to his level, but at least I know how to spell "Qur'an" properly. So if you think that I am a helpless, air-headed Muslim woman who has never seen a Chumash or know the difference between a Kippur and a Kibbutz...well, think again.

As for claiming that the Qur'an is "Satanic", don't you atheists disbelieve in the existence of Satan? So why try to appeal to emotion something which you do not believe exist in the first place?

 

Again with the claim of logic fallacy? Really? You dedicate a whole post to my misspelling of Koran (happy?LOL), your husbands alleged study of Judaism, and then wrap it up with a claim of logic fallacy based on the idea I am an atheist(which I am not)?

Let me bring you back to your hypocrisy. The Old Testament is filled with racism and atrocities, in my opinion. So is the qerran. When you point out the incidence of racism in the Old Testament and deny the many blatant racist passages in the Korran, it makes you a hypocrite. I realize that being a Muslim who pushes pornographic material already qualifies as such, but it seems only fair to point it out yet again.

 

Yes jews can drink, and you can suck as well.

They can be hidden behind atheists, christians, US government and other nations.

I just love when the jews assume that anyone who is against tyranny and murder must be anti-semite.

 

If you are not an atheist, then what are you? Your claim is inconsistent with your posting history where you derided other religions...not just Islam. You might want to clarify your position first.

So if you are neither a Jew or a Christian (based on your criticism of the OT), then what are you?

I wonder where are those so-called "many blatant racist passages". There are Muslims of every colour and from nearly every nation, so certainly Islam is high above from what you allege!There are no "racist passages" in the Qur'anul Karim at all, so this makes the assertion rather hollow, does it not? The burden of proof lies with the accuser, not with the accused.

 

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You'd be surprised. Would you agree with me that the Quran treats the Woman status is below the Man?

 

You don't have the authority or the credibility to speak on my behalf of my rights as a Muslim woman. Try again.

 

Do your own research. My religious beliefs are not the topic of discussion, but I have been fairly outspoken about them, so it won't take you long if you are willing to peruse a thread or two.

Racist specifically in it's many references to the Jews. Tyranical in its references to non-believers/infidels. Satanic in its recommended treatment of the unbelievers, Jews, and infidels. The passages have been posted in thread after thread after thread. If you really need me to re-post them, I will happy to, but I'd like to think you are familiar enough with the kerran to know exactly what I am talking about. Perhaps you are not...

By the way, where do you weigh in on permitting Christian churches in malaysia to use the word "Allah"? Perhaps time to burn a few more churches down in the name of Allah?

 

It would most certainly help in understanding where you are coming from if you were to disclose. Otherwise this will go nowhere.

Mostly a misrepresentation of various passages taken out of its original context.

Red herring argument. How is this related to the discourse?

 

I may not have any credibility to speak for your religion but Your Quran does. So will you trust a website and ignore your holy book?

Let's see.

Qur'an (4:11) - "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females"
Qur'an (2:282) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women."
Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them"