Draw Mohammed Day is over... Now comes EVERYBODY "RESEARCH" HOLOCAUST DAY!!

We are talking about something that happened in 6th century Arabia and in the midst of a Semitic culture, right? Don't you realise the possibility that maybe, just maybe, people back then have very different standards than today...something which you callously choose to ignore?

And do you or do you not realise that I am not "one of [my] fellow Muslims" and that I know more than enough to not be apologetic about this at all? I couldn't care less about what the so-called other "fellow" Muslims have stated about this very specific marriage of Aishah (R), nor am I responsible for their comments. As far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with the marriage of Aishah (R) to the Prophet (P), as:

(a) none of his contemporaries ever complained about the marriage, or accused the Prophet (P) of being a "rapist",
(b) there are a plethora of examples which proves that this was a Semitic culture norm of the era in question, and;
(c) until today, puberty is the only CRITERION one has to judge whether a woman has achieved full maturity or not.

These are the facts as they are. In no way does this mean that I condone rape or agree that a child who does not yet achieve maturity be married off against her will in this era.

Oh gee, wow....I am so very "flattered" that you impress so much with me powderful Engluirsh, and perhaps will need to bow down and kiss your white cheek for that wonderful praise from the American master...NOT. How fortunate it is that I am neither of what you mentioned.

 

do you think Aisha feeling was a matter in her Mariage? anybody asked her feeling or opinion?
when our Prophet died in 57, Aisha disabled to marry again!

seems you win a victory! lol

 

Your response to my question of whether or not having sex with a 9 year old was rape is quoted below:

My question targeted you, here, now, today, not some past culture. Your nuanced answer was pretty clear. Why back peddle now by dismissing such an opinion as that of an uneducated semetic culture from 1000 years ago? The answer you gave was your own. Lets not ignore that in reversing your answer, you are calling Mohammad a pedophile by any reasonable standard from today. Lets also not ignore that legal marriage at puberty is still an acceptable practice in many Muslim cultures today (not 1000 years ago).

So you don't condone rape, but you do condone sex with a child so long as the child has reached puberty. This is your opinion, today, now, in this day and age. Nightcrawlers IS more educated than you. His English may be bad, but at least he understands that sex with a 9 year old is child molestation and rape. These are not difficult concepts to grasp. He understands that human beings continue to grow(mature) physically until they are around 18, which is considered by nearly the entire planet as the age of maturity of a human being of either sex.

Whether you are a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew, or an Atheist concerns me no more than whether you are a man or a woman (Not at all). If you endorse genocide, the abolition of the State of Israel, terrorism, or child molestation(which it seems you do), then you represent an element of the worlds population that needs to be repudiated in no uncertain terms. The other scumbag terrorists on this planet are your "fellow" people, whether you claim them or not.

That you did well in your English studies is apparent. That you did well in logic and reason is not. Perhaps you need to go back to school?


Q. Why did Mohammad enjoy getting jacked off by a 6 year old?
A. Because her small hands made his dick look bigger.

I thought a fan of child molestation like yourself might appreciate that joke.

 

If nobody cries out "rape", who am I to say that there was a rape?

Not backpedaling on anything. You asked and I answered. That was all there is to it. Since the focus has been on Aishah (R) right from the start, I assume (and rightly so) that this was the purpose the question was asked. I don't impose the modern understanding of "rape" on a culture several centuries ago where young marriages are the norm. That would be a rather silly thing to do, would it not?

I am calling him (PBUH) no such thing which you are implicitly accusing him of. That is your allegation, not mine. The Prophet (PBUH) was never a pedophile by any stretch of the imagination.

To my knowledge, this is not something which is widespread in the Muslim world "today".

I don't know what is the purpose of your sucking up to someone else in order to beat me down, but whatever rocks your bed is fine with me. I couldn't care less as to whether you think I am a "barbarian" or not. I must admit, however, that your pathetic attempt at poisoning the well is humourous. It does not diminish the value of my argument(s), nor does it change the facts as they are.

And your crude "joke" was so vulgar that it is not even worth being addressed. You do realise that this is no language to be spoken to a lady, hmm? Did your mother teach you any manners when addressing a woman?

 

And here predictably come the short answers and refusals to reply. The sticking of the fingers in the ears and the, "I don't care what you say" line of reasoning a child might give. All the hallmarks of a failed argument.

The joke was vulgar. It was extremely vulgar. What I find odd is that you take offense to the joke, but not to the very real action taken by your prophet implied by the joke. How is it one can be offended by joking about child molestation, but not by the act of child molestation? How can someone wish peace (PBUH) on a child molester?

As far as telling such jokes to a woman is concerned, I tell much worse to my wife. I was brought up in a fairly religious environment and managed to become a functioning member of society that doesn't consider vulgarity a sin. I was, however, taught that the act of child molestation is wrong, by state, culture, and religion. How is it you missed that lesson.

Also, regarding your claims to be a woman, I treat them with all the credulity they deserve, considering you also claim not to be a Muslim. What you are, it seems, is someone challenged by truth telling and logic.

 

That most certainly sounds like you, alright!

Of course I take offense to the vulgarity, since the Prophet (PBUH) was never a child molester and this is nothing more than a lie.

I have never claimed to "not be a Muslim" either, so I fail to understand where that "claim" came from in the first place.

 

"I know you are but what am I"? Really? Did you really just respond with that in response to being accused of providing child like answers? Really?

So when you unapologetically confirmed that Mohammad had intercourse with a 9 year old, touched a 6 year old in a sexual manor, and had a 6 year old touch him in a sexual manor, which is text book child molestation, you were lying? You need to get your story straight.

Perhaps you can explain this quote and its corresponding line of reasoning:

Which is it? You are Muslim and therefore EXACTLY what I said you were, or you are not Muslim and lying now. I don't think I've ever met someone so challenged by truth telling.

If I had to guess, you are a Muslim male between the ages of 19-28, perhaps of Palestinian descent, attending or recently graduated from school in England. You pose as a woman online to lend credibility to the idea that Muslim women are educated and love their lesser status within Islamic culture. As a point of order, I believe cross dressing is a sin against Islam.

 

I think its 300 feet actually.

 

Rape trauma only concerns one aspect of her captivity. She was taken from her parents at the age of six to be a sex toy for a 50 year old man. There's a lot more damage there than from a simple rape.

Which is... let's all say it together... rape.

When a 53yr old man has sex with a 6 or 9 year old girl, it is rape -- no matter if you're the local warlord or not.

He molested her when she was six and raped her fully when she was nine. Are we all agreed on the facts?

Well of course, Muhammad murdered people who complained about his actions. duh.

So if I start a culture which says that bank robbery is A-OK, you'll defend me on DP.

Puberty is almost irrelevant to mental and emotional maturity.

Let's say that this girl started to bleed before Muhammad started to pound her, and that she was not just bleeding from wounds he was giving her.

That still does not make raping a 9yr old girl a moral act. A 9yr old girl is not mature enough either mentally or emotionally to be a participant in a healthy relationship.


Your story is that you just married Menj, right? So, in six years we should expect to see little Menj's terrorizing the innocent citizens of Malaysia?

If the fifty year old governor of your local province sees your six year old daughter and screams "Damn, I gotta git me a piece of that!", will you happily donate your daughter to him as a sex toy?

If you won't do it when she's six, will you do it when she's nine?

 

Please don't expect to get an intelligent answer if you remain obstinate trying to find fault with something which has been explained a zillion times.

You really need to go back and reread what my position is on this. I have countless times provided the links which clearly state that although the Prophet (PBUH) married Aishah (R) at six with the full consent of her family, he did not touch her or consummated the marriage until she has reached puberty, of which the records say was nine. If she had not reached puberty until she was eighteen, the marriage would not have been consummated until that time.

I don't know what is so hard to understand about this?

Keywords: marriage, puberty, consummated. Look up these terms.

Its English, can't you comprehend a simple sentence in English?

You do realise how silly you sound once you compare this fictional story with my About page, don't you? You are almost right on one point, however. My late father was a Brit serving in the British Army engineering corps who reverted to Islam in the late 1970s.

 

No, Mo' claims not to have penetrated her until she was 9. He was molesting her from age 6:

The permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar).

After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:

As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.
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Either one is morally repulsive. Except, of course, to Muslims. Then it's A-OK:

Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran gave a fatwa about Quran 65.4:

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."
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And of course Mohammad had the consent of the family, they didn't want to be murdered. They gave up their daughter to save their own lives.

 

You do realise that I've already exposed your cheap lie on the previous page, didn't you? As for what "Ayatollah Khomeni" said or did not say, his words have no track on me at all. I am a Sunni, not a Shia.

 

Are you illiterate? Do you not understand the difference between molestation and penetration? M-W.com -- try it sometime.

Here's the straight dope, from a Sunni source, the Grand Muft Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary:

The permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar).

After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:

As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.
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The question is, are you? Didn't you bother to read even a single para from my previous post? And sorry, I don't visit Islamophobic websites for Islamic teachings, nor does anyone of sound mind consider them as a reliable source. Fallacy of appeal to authority here.

You are going to have to do better than simply repeating ad nauseam your imaginary quote from an obscure source you plucked out of that magic hat, or this is simply yet again another weak attempt at appeal to authority. Maybe you should try more contemporary scholars such as Nasir-ad-Din al-Albani or al-Qaradawi? Just a suggestion.

Oh, I forgot, you ain't a Muslim and have never practised Islam at any point of time. So of course you wouldn't have heard of these names before. My bad.

 

Blahaaaaa... too funny. You refuse to accept evidence from anyone who disagrees with you, even Sunni religious authorities. You're even afraid of M-W.com. You condemn yourself to a life of ignorance. Happy breeding!

Amusingly, while searching for Nasir-ad-Din al-Albani, one of the first results to be found is Al-Albani Unveiled: An Exposition of His Errors and other important issues, Compiled by Sayf ad-Din Ahmed ibn Muhammad:

"Al-Albani has not made a handful of forgivable errors, but rather well over 1200, which are only forgivable if he himself admits and corrects his mistakes by repenting in front of the People of Knowledge, as well as the sincere believers who may have been relying on his 'classifications of Hadith'."​

 

You exposed a lie on that link? I didn't see anything in your post that disputes, or even tries to dispute molestation outside of penetration before age 9.

Don't fret. I never expect an intelligent answer from you. Only one worded correctly. In this case you failed on both counts.

There is no dispute here. In every post where I restated your position, the information was obtained by re-reading your posts. There wasn't a lack of clarity. Often I quoted your actual words so everyone else could appreciate your approval of child molestation without a filter.

There is no dispute here. You said he had sex with her at 9, I agree. Your dispute is really with most of the rest of the planet, which calls that child molestation.

Yes. Your words implied I incorrectly characterized you as a Muslim, which you obviously are. If you felt I incorrectly characterized you in some other way, why don't you clarify the point a bit more instead of the idiotic childlike response you've posted here. You won't go back because it was a point of argument for you.

Almost right on one point? Age range - Correct. Muislim - Correct. British - Correct(assuming you retained the British citizenship you are entitled to, and would have been stupid not to). Education - Not stated, but would still bet the UK. The only point I missed was your gender, though in fairness, a) nearly all your posts are misleading so why not lie about that as well, and b)your wording carries the vitriol, blood thirsty bravado, and testosterone normally reserved for Muslim males. At least by posting a picture of yourself and your beliefs, you don't disguise your racist views. Are you still allowed into Britian?

 

I have never heard of a religious authority figure by the name of "Al-Shamery" and considering how you tried to pass off Khomeni as a "religious scholar" on a Sunni as myself, there is no reason to accept it either. Like I said, try again with other known Sunni scholars...there are still hundreds of them around.

Try again.

This is getting repetitious. You can call it whatever you want, will you do the same to Wanwisa Janmuk's husband?



I wonder what is wrong with you people accepting that in some cultures, marriage at puberty was and still is perfectly normal, both biologically and physiologically.

I have never claimed otherwise either, which makes me confused as to what exactly is your point!

I was born and bred and educated in Malaysia. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I don't have a British citizenship and I hold a Malaysian passport.

 

Wow, what an absolute charmer you've picked out as a role model!

 

So you just Googled that name and found that YouTube video just by serendipity? Awww, how cute. And yet another attempt at poisoning the well. If infractions were given for every single logical fallacy you commit, I'm sure you would have raked up quite a few by now.

 

You poisoned the well. I didn't bring these yahoo's into the conversation, you did.

You specifically suggested that I study these two, so I did. Unlike yourself, I am interested in researching and finding out the truth.

And wow... did I find out a bunch of truth about the two "scholars" whom you recommended.