Common link building methods get aged - new advanced strategies needed and coming UP

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  1. #1
    Many people on DP have asked recently this question in the topic title.
    Indeed, there are many link building standard link building methods, but most of them get saturated and do not work as before.
    - Article submissions - Article sites get over-crowded, so Google is not even able to index all submitted articles, moreover, the articles sink very fast in the deepness of the debri.
    - Blog posts - With appearance of blueprint making lots of spammy-looking sites, Google got very careful in valuing the link juice from blog posts. Again, blog posts are sinking fast into the debri of a blog.
    - Blogrolls - previously fantastic technique has been devaluated, when Google launched a campaign "sidewide link == one link".
    - Forum signatures - most forums became nofollow, and those that stay follow are overcrowded with lots of signatures per topic, which devalues your linked signature.
    - Bunch of randomly placed paid links - not working.
    - Forum profiles, and directory submissions - not working and already considered as close-to-spammy SEO.
    - link farms, link wheels - are even dangerous for your site.
    Press-releases, viral marketing, well-targeted paid links, in-content links and social bookmarking - are still working properly, though.

    New advanced techniques
    A while ago, in a group of a few SEO experts in IVRA Holding, NL, we have brainstormed on a new advanced link building techniques that would make a strong effect for site promotion and SERP ranking increase. The research resulted in 3 cornerstones:
    1. Links should be presented into a format that many trusted websites use to present their content: digests, news or mini-articles.
    2. Links should be placed in a targeted and accurate way - only on relevant quality webpages (same niche, language, keywords), only within the textual content of webpage - no blocks of backlinks.
    3. Each link should stay on the same one webpage, very close to mainpage, in 1 or 2 clicks - make it cheaper than mainpage link, but still effective (mainpage links are fine also).

    Network
    To verify these ideas, we have implemented a system, which served as a basis for the private link building network _www.seo-console.com_.
    One-year usage experience of our private advertisers/partners has shown that these 3 concepts work very efficiently for promoting even highly competitive keywords in SERP.
    In more details, backlinks placed in this new news/mini-article/digest format are treated by SEs as trustworthy sources of information, and therefore, they are fully taken into account by SE ranking algorithms. Such backlinks positively influence the promoted website ranking, and subsequently, increase traffic from organic search results.

    Since the network gets open for public, I invite DP members to try it out with $ 10 bonus. (To get the $10 bonus, please PM me your login name in the network).

    There are also other 'sweet' features that the network provides for SEO practitioners:
    - Daily checks of backlinks - link presence guarantee.
    - Powerful search for suitable link places by 30+ parameters: webpage and website GooglePR, AlexaRank, Yaho0 links, webpage indexation by SEs, domain age, niches, language, domain presence in all major directories, and many more.
    - Detailed info on each publishing webpage: you know where you place your backlink.

    We are tough on our publishing websites:
    - only quality sites with a history are accepted
    - blocks of backlinks are not allowed, your backlink will be surrounded by textual content on page
    - more than 5 backlink places on page are not allowed
    - we accept only frequently re-indexed pages: within 2 clicks from mainpage
    - only webpages with less than 20 outbound links
    - no adult/viagra sites, no autoblogs, no sites with popups, doorways and cloaking
    - cheating techniques are daily monitored (robots.txt, nofollow, outside body tag, etc)
    - we accept only those webpages, which are indexed by major SEs

    Current database includes: 15+ PR6 pages, 250+ PR5 pages, 300+ PR4 pages, 1000+ PR3 pages, 100 000+ PR2/PR1/PR0.

    I am virtually 'living' on DP, so you can PM me for the $10 bonus on _www.seo-console.com_ anytime.

    PS. Please remember: 'quality' of backlinks, not 'quantity', is what the most important.
     
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  2. taikhan

    taikhan Peon

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    #2
    Interesting analysis in the first paragraph.
    I disagree that blogrolls are not working. For me they still do...
    And vice versa, I do not belive in social bookmarking. I think google cuts those links off as from forum profiles.
    In the rest of the points I would agree.

    Couple of questions. What are those digests or news with link inside, how they suppose to look like?
    Why do you think that they work better than normal links?
    Does the system allows also putting links on home pages?
     
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  3. h4ckzor3

    h4ckzor3 Peon

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    #3
    Your website ranking is 0. I`m not sure how old it is but when you`re talking about SEO you should have something to sustain your opinions.
    I`m writing this because this is what i feel about your article.
     
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  4. GeorgeKuipers

    GeorgeKuipers Peon

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    #4
    Dear h4ckzor3,

    Just read my posts here on DP, and you will be able to form a proper opinion based on something more solid than just a feeling.
    Regarding the PR0, we have launched to public only a few months ago. Before that, the site seo-console.com was a private network (as I clearly stated in my post) closed for any bots for indexing. If you are still in doubt, you may also query in Google "seo-console.com" which will give you 30 000+ results ;-) PR is not a barometer of something nowadays.

    taikhan, sorry, I will get back to your questions within several minutes.
     
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    #5
    i'm curios if this will work.
     
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  6. GeorgeKuipers

    GeorgeKuipers Peon

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    #6
    Well, you could check the examples of the digest-based links on our website. Anyway, I will give you an example here:

    Online travel booking system Expedia.com takes no fees anymore.
    The leading online reservation agency Expedia.com has eliminated
    all phone-based booking fees. The agency will not charge phone
    booking fees for any flight, car rental, hotel or cruise reservation
    booked by phone.


    Here, the anchortext/backlink is in the title. The rest is a description text, which makes a textual content around the backlink and forms that trustworthy mini-article/digest, that you can find on many authority websites. I suppose you would agree that this looks much better than a conventional backlink book hotels online.

    The anchortext of the backlink promotes the following major keywords: travel, booking, no fee and the brand name itself.

    Since this kind of digest forms a valuable informational and structural part of a webpage (we advocate only thematical placement), it is considered by Google as an integral part of website, and therefore values such digest well together with the backlink inside it. Thereby, "link juice" gets juicy. Experimented and proven. Today it works.

    Regarding your last question, yes, we also have lots of high-PR main pages in our database for link placement.
     
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  7. FirespinJay

    FirespinJay Active Member

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    #7
    Have PMed you.

    Blogrolls the link is counted - Just not as 100's links like before. Social Bookmarking from new hardly used accounts = nothing From ages used accounts from peopke playing the game properly = Very strong vote.

    James
     
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  8. GeorgeKuipers

    GeorgeKuipers Peon

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    #8
    FirespinJay, with blogrolls we have had a sort of negative experience in 2009. We got blogrolls from 3 huge chinese/japanese blogs PR3-PR5 (~100 000 indexed pages) for one of our sites. After 6 months, our site PR dropped from PR5 to PR3 with no traffic increase meanwhile. Could be a coincidence, though.
    On social bookmarking, you are right, they work for me too, but to get to these "ages used accounts", as you said, is very hard. You need to grow up them yourself.

    Your account is updated with bonus.

    PS. Check out, we get a similar sig's idea ;-)
     
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  9. pro.seods

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    #9
    I remember opening one of the threads too. Interesting techniques. ALthough article submission is still one heck of a technique to build links. I am doing it and guess what sales of my affiliate have zoomed.

    People say these methods are getting saturated but are they? Millions of people who open new sites opt for these basic link building techniques and get some or little results. I think doing them intensely can help you but you'll have to invest in them a lot.

    Advanced techniques work good but are known by less. That's why it's tough to adopt them time and time again.
     
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    #10
    Hi, I have sent pm. Thank you for the try out. I'll give a review after the trial thanks.
     
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    lebedev9114 Greenhorn

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    #11
    Hey I have read your post in detail, and would definitely agree with most of the arguments above , however they must still work just not as effective.
    I have signed up for your web-site, and to be honest a got a little bit lost. I have some of the following questions, which hopefully you can answer.

    How does your company differ from other back link markets out there?
    What is the average price for a back link lets say of PR 3-4 site ( i know pagerank is not the best measurement of a site , but its the one we have )
    What are the most popular categories of sites you have? ( travel etc..) - in my case I would use this for citycatalogue.com and horse21.net
    Is the method you deliver give quicker results by any chance?

    Hope to see a reply from you!
     
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  12. handytxg

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    #12
    OK I get the $10 dollar trial.
    Here is my 1st review:
    The website is powerful, and very convenience you can select the website you want to put your back link and there are alot of them.
    After select the website you like, just press 1 button and your back link will appear there.
    They have some new strategy, which I don't really understand (DBA Text)which is something like meta tag description.
    I'll give another review after see the result of this new strategies(DBA Text).

    Thanks for the trial :)
    Cheers
     
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  13. GeorgeKuipers

    GeorgeKuipers Peon

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    #13
    I recall this thread of yours, replying with something like "noone will share the secrets" ;-)

    Its the absolute truth what you have said, pro.seods. From our experience, we are spending a lot of efforts in educating our advertisers and publishers on how to use these advanced techniques and network facilities at the full power. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not. But with time going on, blog posts are appearing that explain these things, people are sharing knowledge, so I think it will get easier for us later.

    You account is updated with the bonus.
     
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  14. GeorgeKuipers

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    #14
    lebedev9114, thanks a lot for your considerations and questions, first of all.
    Your questions show that you know what you are talking about.

    Related to the question of how our network differs from other link building network, there are a number of unique features, that no one provides (TLA, LinkWorth, LinkAdage, Sape, TNX, etc):
    - we facilitate placement of backlinks in a trustworthy and solid representation, such as digests/mini-articles, while others provide backlink placement in a standard, not that efficient anymore, format.
    - we do not allow blocks of backlinks, every your digest-based backlink will be integrated into a webpage content. Other systems put your backlinks in spammy-looking blocks of links in a footer.
    - we provide you with a lot of information/30+parameters about each webpage, which helps you to make a proper purchase decision. No other system gives you an information on each webpage indexation/caching in Google, Yahoo, Bing and Yandex. Its too expensive for them, I suppose. We use Amazon Clouds solutions to address the challenge.
    - we provide not only mainpages for sell, but also pages within 1-2 clicks from main page, which makes promotion cost-effective
    - we do not have shitty sites in our database.
    - this brings-in our drawback - we do not have that huge database of websites, that our competitors do.

    What is the average price for a back link lets say of PR 3-4 site?
    Webpage PR3 would be 1.00 - 5.00 a month
    Webpage PR4 would be 1.50 - 7.00 a month

    What are the most popular categories of sites you have?
    Health, Internet and Computers, Travel, Business and Companies, Goods and Services are most popular.

    Is the method you deliver give quicker results by any chance?
    We do not advocate quick results, we support stable results. Anyway, as an example, a website of our private advertiser on "online hotel booking" theme got from 8 000 to 13 500 visitors a day. This happened in the period from Jan to May (I understand that the seasonal influence plays a role here also, but the most important - SERP positions got up).

    Regards
    George
     
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    taikhan Peon

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    #15
    From your Search guidelines: "0. Do not buy millions of backlinks, buy targeted backlinks on webpages with the same theme and language..." ;-)
    You narrow your business, GK, but respect for this.

    PMed you on bonus
     
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  16. GeorgeKuipers

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    #16
    Sorry, I missed your questions and thanks for the review.
    DBA means Digest-Based Ads, it is an official name of the backlink format. DBA includes the Title (which is your link and anchortext), and the Description (which is your post text, explaining the title).
    Both have nothing to do with HTML metatags, it is just the names coincidence.
    Please check one of my posts above for the DBA example in a small font.

    taikhan, we care about good promotion results of our advertisers/seo-practitioners, and about or good name. The business goes wide anyway, if the results will be good.

    Gents, I am going out to Germany for 6 hours, all the bonus requests will be satisfied after that period.
     
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    #17
    I disagree that forum profiles are devalued. This is because people are not applying the technique correctly. There are way too many people who just creates a profile and immediately place their links in the bio or signature section. That is why it is not working. You got to contribute to that community first and wait a while if you want them to work (works from experience).
     
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  18. GeorgeKuipers

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    #18
    colossus, thanks for the opinion. IMHO, it depends on what you really want to achieve by using these aged and reputable profiles.
    If you would like to attract people from that forums, then it will work, of course, because people will be visiting your profile and following your links.
    If you meant that the aged profile's links are targeting the google algorithm only, then, the only benefit might be that those links will be old and pass the link juice well. However, taken into acount a possible deranking coefficient for the forum profiles in the latest algorithms, even the old profile links will not be that striking.

    PS. Pure speculation in the previous sentence. :D Its just an attempt to explain, why forum profiles strategy stopped working for me around two years ago.
     
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    #19
    Am I understanding that this is simply a way to sell links? If so, let's go ahead and get it moved to the correct area of DP....ok?

    One other over-riding statement not meant to mean George's service won't work....but profile links didn't stop working 2 years ago, far from it for the average SEO user and the statement that Google counts Blogroll links as 1....is simply wrong. That's the same thing as saying that your DP signature's only count for one link, this has been disproven so many times I have a hard time believing anyone is trying to pedal it as information anymore.

    George, do you have any case studies to show that your site works? Would you be willing to set one up through DP since you're living here?
     
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    #20
    BTW, I do appreciate your willingness to attempt to answer questions for everyone. I'm sure if you continue spending the time and can start to document results that DP will be literally the only marketing you'll ever have to do.

    Some proven results would have me signing up.
     
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