Israeli terrorist millitary attacks a civilain aid ship heading to Gaza

You are as wrong about today´s situation as you are about your own country history. 140 years ago that weren´t even that many Americans and so called Americans were just a mixture of different European immigrants which got involved in a war which was based on socioeconomic interests of ruling classes in North and South USA.`

Origins of the American Civil War

Americans were not killing Americans, it was the socioeconomic reason which was causing people killing people.

American war of independence was not about Americans like to kill British. WWI & WWII was not about Europeans or Christians desire to kill other Europeans or Christians. The National Guard shooting of American protesters against Vietnam war was not about American National Guard liking to kill American Students. According to your line of reasoning the war in Iraq also can be characterized as Americans desire to kill Arabs. All the above and your explanation that some how Muslims like to Kill Muslims is just pure nonsense.
The killing in Middle East is the result of clash of different classes and different nations interests and because of geographical location it is just natural that both assailants and victims for most part are Muslims.

 

Yes! None of it has any real meaning. It is all a case of chance and coincidence. One might better describe the situation as objects relating to other objects. A series of chance events, and corresponding geopolitical and socioeconomic pressures led to events that were inevitable! It is all so clear to me now!

Hey GWorld, keep a Molsen on ice for me buddy. I'm headed to Quebec to smoke some of what you are smoking and talk about the universe! Have my welfare check and free health care ready, ok?

 

Who needs geopolitical and socioeconomic analyze of the world? Those stupid intellectual who study and work with these subjects are just waste of money. The fact that CIA, State department, NSA,... hire these people and pay them, is just another sign for federal government waste of tax payers resources. Everything in the world can be explained by drinking beer and the help of your friends trailer park "conservatism" ideology.

 

Umm, I beg to differ. The story is starting to come out.

[video=youtube;0cQ69oKFtVg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cQ69oKFtVg[/video]

There will be more of these in the coming days, as witnesses on board the Mavi Marmara step up to take the stand and implicate Israel for their sea piracy.

 

List of the people murdered by the IOF on Mavi Marmara, may God send His Mercy upon them.

 

GWorld:

While the Islamic World endlessly attacks Israel, it uses Israel as a diversion from its core fundamental problems that mistreat its populations, enables it's groups with power and guns to kill and destroy one another, maintains an environment of human suppression, and restricts the growth of human freedom.

Since the end of WWII parts of the world that were devastated by this huge and horrendous conflict have rebounded, progressed and grown in amazing ways. The middle east on the other hand is stuck in a world of midieval thinking. Humans are oppressed, freedoms are restricted, the economies are miserable (save for the abundance of oil in selected nations). The basic human condition has been stunted.

Meanwhile within this environment, the oppressive powers kill millions of their own people in endless struggles. It is a function of Muslims killing other Muslims. Its resulted in millions of deaths.

The Islamic world fundamentally ignores this. The rest of the world moves forward, and the Islamic regimes and powers focus all their enmity toward Israel as they kill and mistreat their populations.

Meanwhile in its relatively short history tiny Israel has grown and developed. It offers democracy, human freedoms, and its economy and knowledge base have grown dramatically. It is shared with the rest of the world. In the meantime, Israel has made peace in the Muslim world where it can. It has long term peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan. If it could extend those peace treaties it would. It made recent efforts with Syria. It has interacted with the Saudi's in these efforts. It has negotiated with Palestinians who would negotiate. When the Palestinian rogue regimes refuse to negotiate, such as Hamas, then Israel does what it must. It defends itself.

That is simply what any nation would do.

Now back to my premise. In the 60 plus years since Israel became a nation millions of Muslims have killed millions of Muslims. The conflicts are diverse but they are endless. Millions of Muslims have killed one another.

By contrast this estimate concerning deaths and casualties from the named Israeli-Arab wars since 1948 come up with a total estimate of 48,000 dead from Arab/Muslim military http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/casualties.html

Contrast that with the following:

GWorld: You may not like this source, but the facts behind it are verifiable: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2009.htm

Note the volume of killings, virtually entirely a list of Muslims killing Muslims; all since 9/11/2001.

Its an endless litany of violence. Its approximately 10 years after the start of that list....and the killings go on.

Of note: I was interested in this report from January 4, 2009

Here is an interesting little example of Islamic domestic problem solving that occurred in February 2009, in Buffalo NY, not far from Canada

(btw: I'm divorced--neither she nor I thought about this "method" as a way to end an unhappy marriage )

Total the deaths and injuries from the 2,000 Islamic terrorist "events" in 2009 from that website and you get over 9,000 dead and 18,000 injured.


Over 27,000 mostly Islamic deaths and injured from terrorist actions in 2009 alone.....and the Islamic world, its regimes, and its people in power simply ignore the reality and "attack Israel".

That was only one years total. The killings continue year after year and will go on forever because the Islamic powers choose to ignore it and focus their hatred toward Israel. How stupid. Islam is "enabling" its people to kill one another and refuses to pay attention!!!!

Now back to the Civil War. During that 4 year period in excess of 600,000 Americans died, North and South. The census of 1860 before the war started counted about 31 million Americans including about 4 million slaves.

600,000 died in a 4 year period. Of course it was Americans killing Americans. Canadians, French, Briitish, Arabians, Far Easterners etc. weren't involved in the bloodshed. In an explosion of horror during a 4 year period Americans killed 5% of their entire population. How gruesome.

Then it stopped. The war ended.

Similarly in WWII Europeans (primarily) killed Europeans (in the European part of the war) to the tune of tens of millions. Then it stopped in 1945. The war ended.


Meanwhile, for decades now Muslims have been killing Muslims. The killings are endless. They don't stop. The Islamic world refuses to acknowledge it. It never ends. When they have a shot at it, they kill non-Muslims. (It appears that when they kill non-Muslims such as the people in NYC in 9/11 or Israelis...the non-Muslims strike back.

The Muslim world remains dangerous. The powers to be refuse to acknowledge it. It continues endlessly. Hamas is simply one of the most brutal of these groups. Israel wants to defend itself aganist them. Who can blame them? Surely not the woman beheaded in Buffalo?

 

Excellent post, earlpearl.

 

I Hope Israel will be destroyed soon..

 

Sounds like you were amongst the peace loving activists in the recent flotilla!
Welcome to DP, we have many peace lovers here!

 

Isn't that how they came up with socialism?

 

"Destroyed" is too harsh a word, perhaps a better solution would be this.

 

What sane person on the planet would seriously WANT to become part of a Palestinian government, or a Syrian government, or a Lebanese government, or an Egyptian Government, or an Iranian Government, or a Jordanian government, or a Saudi Government, or a..... well you get the point. Its like asking who would voluntarily eat a plate of crap. You should stick with the "destroyed" mantra the rest of your terrorist loving jew hating friends repeat. Given the choice I think most people would take "destroyed".

 

The article proposes neither of these, therefore it is obvious that you simply fired the gun without loading it. Or in other words, you failed in reading and comprehension.

 

An unloaded gun wont fire. Now what were you saying?

Let me ask you something. ALL of the governments I labeled above are horrid. Can we agree on that? No sane person would choose to live in any of them over ANY stable western or European nation. These governments, however, are the product of their people, their ideology, and their Islamic fervor. The minute you make such idiots the larger of part of your Democracy by such a "One State Solution", your nicely developed government turns into the same type of crap hole that your neighbors currently operate. The same would happen to the US if we suddenly absorbed some large part of Africa and made them part of our democratic process. Just look at what an amazing job Hamas did with Palestine when the Palestinian people ELECTED THEM TO POWER! The words "a people deserves its leaders" have never been proven so true.

The problem isn't reading comprehension on my part. The problem is you are trying to sell the planet a bucket of sh*t and tell everyone it's ice cream.

 

Reason number 246 that posters should have to be here more than a year hand have 1000 posts to post in P/R.

 

Which is my point exactly. I see that the irony didn't escape you.

Again, you are going off-tangent by talking about something not related to what the article I've linked to was discussing about. Hence your "analogy" is pretty much off the tracks.

 

No, it was your phrasing that didn't escape me.

The phrase is "off on a tangent" not "off-tangent". A basic understanding of geometry would help you to understand why one is right and the other is wrong. Regarding your confusion, the issue is reading comprehension once again. My post is EXACTLY about the article you posted and what is wrong with what it proposes. Granted, since you are amongst the blindly devout, I didn't really expect you to understand the meaning of the words, but it never hurts to give it a shot. I figure even if you don't get it, the message serves as an advisory label on your "ice cream" sales pitch.

 

Victims of aid flotilla raid laid to rest in Turkey

 

Let's see, they tried to run a military blockade and then attacked the armed boarding party that stopped them.

They are not "victims"... unless you count being victims of their own extreme stupidity. The videos clearly show them attacking the boarding party en masse the moment they touched down. Not a bright move, indicates they're somewhere between fanatic and just plain idiots.

The boarding party wasnt "attacking" or they'd have raked the deck clean with gunfire beforehand, so trying to classify the bozos that took a knife to a gunfight as "victims" defies logic. Getting your clock cleaned after throwing the first punch doesnt qualify anyone as a victim, just makes 'em the loser.

Looks like they'd be excellent candidates for the next Darwin Award though.

 

Let's remember that that "armed" boarding party was "armed" with paint ball guns. They were attacked, beaten and thrown over board by an angry mob of admitted terrorist supporters.