Why Gaza problem is such important for us?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by babak44, Jun 3, 2010.

  1. #1
    last night I was watching a report that showed how miserable life people in Gaza have nowadays after 3 years austerity. Don't want to tell, who is blame for that, just was thinking why Gaza is such important! whereas we have a lot of people with worse situation than Gaza but we less care about them like Darfur, Rwandan massacre, Congo massacre, Chechnya and so one. :confused:
    Are we human being? :(
     
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  2. mi25

    mi25 Active Member

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    As long as peoples thinking and acting is going to be based on their bullshit religion regardless of it being Islam or Judaism unfortunately nothing will change in Gaza. The Zionists don't give a shit about a child or woman dying in Gaza and the same with Islamic terrorists don't care if a Jewish child or woman dies in Israel. All this because of their religious beliefs.
    Long live religion ! Death to logic and humanity !
     
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  3. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    The issue is not really about religion, its about Occupation of a land and the right of people to resist a brutal Occupation.
     
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    babak44 Active Member

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    you are right Mi25 but it isn't just religion I think. we less car of Chechnya, Chinese Muslims and also Kashmir.

    it is hard to tell this land is belong to who. both has their logic I think. but anyway it happened one day and can't change the history. how much we have to continue hostility? all parts are human I think. both are killing each other by rocket lunch, suicidal bomber, air strike and so on.
    what's our feeling toward the victims whether was Palestinian or Israeli?

    I think Palestine isn't the only land which occupied in the world.
     
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  5. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    It isn't, but it is the most serious and the longest occupied land in the world.
     
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    If it was religion alone, the issue would not be half that bad. The problem is that those who control the religious leaders are using the issues to further their policies. If religious leaders acted independently based on whatever their scriptures stated, none of this would be as bad. But you exercise power over the people by making them think their lives are worth losing over Jerusalem and voila, they will stop thinking, stop questioning and their fear of death will disappear.
     
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  7. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    All evidence points to the fact that the Islamists don't care about their own women and children either.
    [video=youtube;g0wJXf2nt4Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y[/video]

    Text:
    Hamas MP Fathi Hammad: We Used Women and Children as Human Shields.

    Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."​

    As Golda Meir said "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."
     
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    babak44 Active Member

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    I don't think it was longest occupied. why most serious?

    yeah I guess Gaza case is more political than religious. although Palestinian are Sunni, no any support from Saudi Arabia and Egypt you see on Gaza but Iran Shiite most supported them.
    on the ships sent to Gaza a lot of European activist were among them but why not other human right issues?
     
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    I cannot think of one human rights organization which hasn't been corrupted. I take the support of motivated individuals over anything else.
     
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  10. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    It is the most serious because thousands were displaced during the 1948 An-Nakba and (until today) millions are denied their Right of Return to historical Palestine. Factor into that the human rights abuses, the brutality of the IOF to a people under Occupation, the settlements issue and continued harassment of people from their own land, and you have the most serious case ever in modern history.
     
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    Vebtools Well-Known Member

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    i AGREE WITH YOU, this time not only Muslims but the whole world united for GAZA, check out World united for Gaza against Israel Terrorist Attack
     
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  12. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #12
    Blahaha... referring to the Israeli sailors defending themselves against a bunch of thugs who were clubbing them to death as an "attack" -- classic Islamist dishonesty.

    Do y'all really believe that a lie becomes truth if you repeat it often enough?

    If looks like your long time friend Obama has even directed Joe Biden to speak the truth against your lies.

    When the Islamist terrorists fail to win the support of a U.S. administration which campaigned on a platform of supporting them -- you know you have an image problem.
     
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    Dunno what should makes Obama different that any other previous of AIPAC ass kissers...

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. ChaosTrivia

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    The answer couldn't be more straightforward than this: The thing that differentiate Gaza from Darfur, Sri Lanca, Kurds, Tibet, Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan (94 dead this weak alone) - is that Gaza is a good excuse for jew-hatred: an integral part of the Islamic culture and religion. It is hence no wonder that virtually all harsh critics of Israel, regardless of the evidence, on this forum are Muslim (and one American anti-semite). Gazans are Muslims: but so are the Kurds, or the Ahmadi of Pakistan, or even the Arabs of Iran which you know that suffer from big discrimination - more than the Israeli Arabs.

    Although I know already babak44 that jew-hatred is something that does not describe you. A rather unique thing for a Muslim in general, and Irani in particular.
    It is really very comforting for me to hear voices like yours in general, and especially coming from Iran.

    Peace from Israel
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    Before the Islamist takeover of Iran in '79, Iran was one of the crown jewels of the Arab world and it enjoyed excellent relations with Israel.

    Heck, is anyone here old enough to remember when Beirut was a major tourist attraction, before the Islamists ruined Lebanon?

    If the Gazans could manage to get rid of Hamas, Gaza could be a prosperous and happy place. They would soak up tourist dollars like crazy -- most of them from Israel! There's nothing keeping Gaza from peace and prosperity, except for Hamas.
     
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    Land occupation is the reason and unprofessionalism of people who killed 9 people.
     
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    #17
    The land has changed hands hundreds of times. There is no objective view of who "owns" the land, except for who lives there now.

    Instead of stopping at saying "killed 9 people", you should have typed out the entire sentence "... killed 9 people who were in the process of committing murder while engaged in illegal smuggling activities in support of Hamas, a terrorist organization which is seeking to import rockets to attack Israeli cities and commit mass murder of innocent civilians."

    The organizers of the "floatilla" are on record admitting "this is not about humanitarian aid."

    [​IMG]
     
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  18. Vebtools

    Vebtools Well-Known Member

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    lolzzzzzzzzzz now why are you including religion in it?

    and what is the truth the world see

    http://www.buzzpk.com/the-world-united-against-israel-terrorist-attack/
    http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=211915
     
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  19. ChaosTrivia

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    I like the guy with the glasses from Barcelona holding the sign:
    "BOICOT ISRAEL"

    reminded me of:
    [​IMG]
    ;)

    couple of scattered demonstrations by people who can't even quickly check online that they spell a sign properly is hardly "the world".
    "the world" is actually the millions who watched the IDF spokesman videos: according to Haare'tz, in recent 3 days, 4 raw-footage movies from the IDF spokesman's youtube channel were the most viewed ones on youtube. An edited video of Al-Jazeera came only in 5th place.

    At the beginning I thought: "man, this is gonna be a PR disaster". But with so many evidence that the IDF and the terrorists out of own stupidity (not turning off the cameras), the identity of the terrorists and their personal records, the terrorists made a real service to Israel - every sensible person in the world understands now that they were not motivated by compassion to the Palestinians but by Islamic fundamentalism or (equals) irrationational hatred of Israel, and that Israel should be supported when its fighting such terrorists.
    Thank you terrorists, once again.
     
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    babak44 Active Member

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    Hey don't pot your feet in my nerves (Persian idiom)! be care OK!
    never talk about it any more, our discussion was about Gaza, right!?

    How you know that Chaos Triva?
    in fact 2 or 3 percent of Iranian population are Arab in south west of Iran. yeah I live in a city that half of people are Arab beside villages around, they always nag about discrimination against them by Persian. we occupied this land 80 years ago but this land was belong to us before Islam!
    I feel so Israeli now!! lol
    My Arab friends some times tell me: you Persian are worse than Israeli because Jews are our cousin whereas you are stranger. Beside they paid us and bought our land but you didn't pay any thing.
     
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