yes, no questions about that. All I'm saying is that noone should be asked on whose side would they pick because Islam and Catholicism both has history of violent means. A few hundred years from now, people would just look back at the events happening today and realize what "barbaric" people we (as a whole) are.
I'm glad you're starting to be honest with yourself, but I'm curious... who said anything about choosing between two religions? I don't recall seeing that anywhere here, or in the speech.
And again, you're confusing the past with the present. History is just that. The present is just that. One religion is violent today. One is not. I sure am glad I worship beer... It's much simpler.
I don't recall anyone asking to take sides. It is what it is. A one sentence quote, that BTW is absolutely true, is no excuse for people conducting themselves like barbarians to prove the quote is still true today.
I am talking about this post. Look, all I am just saying is if you ask this question about Catholicism a few hundred years ago, the sentiment would be somewhat like that of today's anti-Islam feelings. So I'm not taking sides, and other people shouldn't take sides too.
yes, if you still don't get my point, all I am saying is I don't take sides NOW. I am NOT saying we live a hundred years ago as you keep saying.
Go back and read my posts. That isn't what I'm saying. I'm speaking of your constant references to other religions being violent in the past in an attempt to equate them to the level of violence within Islam today. If you agree, then can you admit that Islam is violent today, and the Catholic church is not violent today?
you re-read my posts. I NEVER once said Islam is NOT violent today, yesterday, or tomorrow. so don't tell me what I said and didn't say. I just referred to previous violent actions of other religions to make people not to take any sides NOW.
First of all, I'm not telling you anything. I'm asking you simple questions. I see no need to get upset about it. So we've established that Islam is violent, the modern day Catholic Church is not. The pope quoted someone as saying Islam is violent. That is what this thread is about. From the sounds of things, you agree with what the Pope is trying to say. Am I wrong?
you're right on what this thread is. And as I said on my previous post, what the pope said, whether I agree or not, is offensive. It doesn't even have to be false to be offensive and the pope should be careful of what he says. He just can't say sorry every time he made a mistake.
But you're ignoring my premise. You agree that modern day Islam is violent, and the modern day Catholic Church is not. Therefor, whether it is offensive or not, you still agree with the message the Pope was trying to convey. Is this correct? Yes or no?
I am ignoring your premise because I don't take sides. To say that the Pope is correct doesn't mean that he should have said that remark. To say that he is wrong doesn't mean that he shouldn't have said that remark.
Seems to me, that the only thing missing from the Pope's speech was this line. "And, in a day or so, when they call for my death...my point will be proven" http://www.theage.com.au/news/world...for-popes-death/2006/09/16/1158334739295.html
hehehe, just to clarify, I am not fighting with you zman, ok? hehe. You have your own set of opinions and I respect that. I, myself, am a Catholic, but I also have friends on the Muslim side. Seeing and hearing things from their point of view makes me take this "I don't have a side" attitude. I agree with what the Pope said but I don't agree that he should have said that. It is a foolish remark and said without regards to how other people might feel.
I thought islam was about peace and tolerance? It seems like every other day someone keeps dispelling that myth. I bet the cleric was probably "misquoted out of context" or just "misunderstood." Oh, I know, he's one of those "tiny minority" everyone keeps talking about
It probably is a tiny minority, unfortunately..that tiny minority incites the majority to join along in a massive groupthink exercise. Was anyone really offended by this, until the friday night prayer sessions? Nah. But now that the groupthink exercise has started, the insanity begins.