2pac is one of my favourite artists. R.I.P. 1971-1996 exactly 10 years from this day...we still miss you..
He is the one responsible for the lyrics so he is Yo-yo, I agree that 2pac did had some positive messages in his lyrics but to be honest there are also instances in his lyrics that influence people in the wrong way, that is indeed his 2pac's fault. He has to realize and for every rapper that matter that the way they speak their minds radiates a certain attitude, an attititude being copied by people that are easily influenced. Even though he may write of his frustrations or act of his frustrations and some people don't know what has been the cause for him to react the way he did or the lyrics he produced. People like 2pac have great power to influence people and he is sending mixed messages in his lyrics which is not the best route one can take of course. And this happens a lot in rap/ hip-hop music unfortunately. I'm not really a Hip-Hop/Rap fanatic or fan, i just pick up what's on the radio or television and hear or actually listen to the new music being produced by rappers. In the case of 2pac i was a bit younger and hanged out with a different crowd of people and 2pac was on all the time where you would go or hang out, not all the time but you know what i mean So i did hear a lot of his music back then. I heard various songs by Kanye West and i am not a fan or something, i really don't know all of his songs he produced but the ones i did hear i think actually do have a message and he presents them well. Also from what i heard there is not something that i would considder a bad message or something that would influence people in a wrong manor. Some good lyrics from what i picked up on combined with some good melodies/beats. Through the Wire Blood Diamonds Kanye is actually the only rapper that i think really put's something to the table in contrast to Eminem or 50 cent the wannabee gangster that thinks he made a couple of millions he can pose himself with the big crime organizations of the world and dominating them. That video clip was truly moranic and as a follow up (Perhaps not directly) of his song about not being a wangsta or whatever he calls it. But the message was clear, don't act like a gangster if your not a gangster if you have seen the clip. Then he is in a clip demanding money from the big crime families, well that was the perception intended judging from the Chinese and Italian, Motorgangs leaders gathered around in a circle. What a contradiction! Just a bunch of wannabee gangsters that never surpassed the level of selling a few rocks on the corner and now wanting to pose themself as big time criminal entrepreneurs. Kanye has a great future ahead of him and is in a league none of the hip-hop artist of today can measure by from what i have seen from him untill now. Maybe if i would dig deeper in his music i could be totally wrong but till now i have to compliment him to be unique and representing something that means something. 2pac could have learned a great deal from him, also not to bash on 2pac entirely the man was still evolving in his lyrics and life in general and perhaps he would have been more responsible in his years if he could have continued on. Too bad we can never find out.
First of all, are you really trying to blame music (and/or) tv/movies for being at fault over people's actions? 100 million people can listen to the exact same thing and 2 of them will kill somebody... does that mean the music made them do it, or does it mean they were just fucked up people to begin with and the music really had no effect? PLEASE STOP! Kanye's music is complete POP GARBAGE. If you want to hear a smart, intelligent rapper with a lot of great messages - go listen to COMMON. Brendas Got A Baby Wonder Why They Call You Bitch Keep Ya Head Up Dear Mama Shorty Wanna Be A Thug Baby Don't Cry The Good Die Young Letter To The President Go listen to those, maybe you'll learn something new
Yes, there is a lot of responsibility that should be taken by artists who millions of kids look up to.
Or maybe parents could start being parents again and take responsibility for their own kid's rather than blaming whatever is most convenient for their failures?
You mean the ones like Tupac? How can you seriously say that a musician has the responsibility not to say what's on his mind because some kids with shitty parents might hear it?
The kind of parents who don't pay enough attention to their kids to make sure that they're mentally healthy.
Fair comment. I agree that parents these days do not spend anywhere near enough time with their kids. However, kids are also not wanting to spend time with their families either, especially with their parents. Why? Because todays society is promoting yourself, putting yourself as number one. Just look at the ads on TV. It's all about "You need this latest thing" and more and more entertainment. Think back only 50 years ago. The percentage of families that were more "solid" or spent more time together was much higher than it is today. Where is all this heading? Col
I've been listening to 2pac since I was 13, and he didn't influence me. Most kids under this age wouldn't even know who 2pac is.
Like parents who have kids that get their news from alex jones and believe in government conspiracy theories?
No, i'm saying that music (And TV & Movies since you brougt this up) does influence people in a way that that they are receptable for being that negative or positive. I agree parenting is a factor that also has great influence in a persons choices of life and behaviour but you won't be blaming parents entirely for misconduct and misbehaviour for their kids would you know? I don't think you mean that do you? In life parents can only do their best at showing the right thing and teaching their children morals and values as best as they could but in the end it's still the character of the children in question that is responsible for their own actions. Actions and behaviour that can be influenced from outside parenting and that are coming from daily life encounters and their everyday social environment. Am i saying that music is entirely responsible for this? NO i am not but it's just another contributing factor. A factor that should not be underestimated. You're making up a statistic here so this is kind of a baseless argument. I would suggest talking to youth workers in youth recreation centers and ask them if they see connections between the youths behaviour they are dealing with and the music they are listening to. This conversation may be an eye opener for you if you don't already see it in real life ;=) I have seen various youth workers from the Netherlands expressing their thoughts on this and have also had numerous conversations with a personal friend who is a youth worker and also from what i see in everyday life i can without any hesitation say: Music influence people period! POP garbage? Well that's your opinion Yo-yo. But he is a Hip Hop artist with recognition from a lot of people in the industry if you want to call it POP so be it. But others definitely think the opposite of calling it Pop garbage. And as i said i agreed 2pac produced some good lyrics to influence people in a positive manor but the opposite is also present. Also regarding something new? Haha Yo-yo i heard 2pac when you where still active on the playground playing tag so don't give me that speach Do you really still think music has no influence in peoples every day life Yo-yo being that bad or positive?
Legally - the parents take responsibility until the child reaches 18 years of age (here in the states). The single greatest factor in how a person turns out (as far as im concerned) is their parents. Am I really? 100+ million have heard a 2pac song. I think something like 20+ million have bought a 2pac CD. How many of them do you think went out and shot somebody because they listened to it? That's complete garbage. Just because a specific group of people usually listen to a certain kind of music, doesn't mean the music plays any part in their actions. A lot of people in what industry? THE POP INDUSTRY Music can help change somebodies mood, can help them get through the day a little bit easier, etc. But can it make somebody kill? Can it make somebody commit a crime? Maybe someone off their meds... maybe someone who would have anyway...
I'm sorry Yo-yo but you're wrong, it's also not all about killing, it's overall attitude. Maybe you can't see the reality of the whole issue because of you living a rural area of America maybe if you lived in Los Angeles or New York you would understand current reality. I never said it wasn't Yo-yo, in fact your concurring partially what i was saying as well except for one thing which is children/people have a mind of their own and do things in actions or behaviour/attitude that is not a result of the efforts a parent(s) make to raise them to the person they intended to be. As i said before it's not all about killing Yo-yo Any? Really? Your totally contradicting yourself here Yo-yo since all you want to accept as a reality is that only good things can derive from music but bad things is absolutely not true in your world. Secondly it's not garbage it's reality, i'm not making this up about these youth workers. Jay-z is also just another POP artist right Like i said before music influence people period!
I live 3 miles from the 5th largest city in the United States. I've visited both LA and NYC, and traveled across nearly the entire country. Prove it then. Prove why music should be held responsible for people's actions. Where's the science to back it up? You like him too? Does he look cute on MTV?