Draw Mohammed Day is over... Now comes EVERYBODY "RESEARCH" HOLOCAUST DAY!!

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  2. Mumti

    Mumti Peon

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    if you were a muslim, then you shouldnt have started this thread,,,,,,

    just want to ask... what do you get by spreading hate??? come-on its time to unite,,,
    Muslims dont believe in spreading hate, on the matter of so called Draw Muhammad day, we just wanted to stop that hate causing thing...
    our religion Islam teaches NOT to mock any other religion....
    spreading hate is not jihad at all.... its people like you who want to spread misconceptions about Islam....

    you are actually an idiot....
    reporting thread....
     
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    I have the same query "just want to ask... (cientificoloco) what do you get by spreading hate???"
     
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    I don't think people are trying to spread hate here
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    @Mumti and Samser

    Cientificoloco is not spreading hate, he's simply reporting the news. On that Facebook page it says, "The difference is that you draw Lies about Muhammad and we draw Truth about you. That you seek to bring unrest and conflict, and we wish to uncover the reality so injustice is no more." The motives for Muslims starting this are obviously insincere, though, I support their right to freedom of speech. While I look at someone that denies the holocaust as an ignorant fool, it does seem shameful that certain countries will punish you for denying it.
     
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    It's difficult to introduce Muhammad. As a known pedophile, he isn't allowed within a thousand yards of a school zone. :p
     
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    It seems that you cannot open your mouth without uttering a lie, in one form or another, about the Prophet (P) and Islam, even though this is a peaceful and non-violent way of introducing Islam.
     
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    Your link claims that the little girl was a full nine years old before Muhammad raped her. Do you realize how little of a defense that is?
     
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    The link claims nothing of the sort. Its a rather mischievous way for you to summarise the article in that manner when all it says that young marriages are a frequent occurrence in that era and that girls can and do achieve puberty when they reach nine years old in certain areas. Besides, who are you to accuse the Prophet (P) of having raped Saidatina Aishah (R), since Aishah (R) herself never made that charge?

    But since you want to play this nasty game of polemics, lets see how you are going to explain away this.

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    She was nine years old. When an adult has sex with a nine year old girl, it is rape. It doesn't matter how much brainwashing you do to your victim first.

    You go to prison and... the boys in prison do not treat you well. Even hardened convicts don't like child molesters.

    Why on Earth would I want to explain that away? Nothing that terrible should ever be explained away. We should look at that and force ourselves not to turn our heads away in disgust and horror. We should confront things that are terrible face forward, never explaining them away.
     
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    And how did you come to the assumption that Saidatina Aishah (R) was brainwashed? Were you actually there to assess her mental state?

    I don't see how is this relevant to the polemic you are so fond of repeating.

    And yet you don't accuse the husband of "rape" either with such viciousness and ferocity as you do to the Prophet, upon whom be peace. One rule for him and one rule for the other, hmm?
     
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    The life of Aisha is well documented. She accepted her rape in classic Stockholm syndome style.

    It is relevant to highlight how terrible a thing must be, when murderers and thieves consider it too evil for them.

    Nope. I didn't say "When Muhammad has sex with a nine year old girl, it is rape." I said "When an adult has sex with a nine year old girl, it is rape."

    RIF
     
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    And how have you determined that Aishah (R) had "Stockholm's syndrome"? All the records indicate that she was a happily-married woman and she became a great jurist after the passing of her husband. She even lead an army into battle later in her life during the Battle of Jamal. Does that sound like a "rape victim" to you?

    You do realise that this is called poisoning the well, right?

    Yet throughout your posts here, there is no doubt that you have set the Prophet (PBUH) as your target and source of hatred. Don't pretend to be impartial when it is clear that you are far from that.
     
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    I'm curious, awinsjclarke, do you consider sex between an adult and a 9 year old girl rape, whether or not the girl is married to the man, and whether or not she charges him with rape? I don't want to hear about what the norm is now (especially in consideration of the fact this still happens in many Muslim lands), I want to hear your personal opinion. Is it rape, or not?
     
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    Definitions of rape on the Web:

    * force (someone) to have sex against their will; "The woman was raped on her way home at night"
    * the crime of forcing a woman to submit to sexual intercourse against her will.

    If it does not satisfy any of these conditions, why should I view it as "rape"?
     
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    LOL. Muslim philosophy...
    "Who are you to accuse Y for the murder of X if X never made that charge?".....
    "Who are you to accuse Y for tax evasion if ...(?)... never made that charge?".....
    ;)
    such a warped sense of justice... Islam destroyed the meaning of the word justice...

    He does not need to explain this. His religion is not responsible for this.
    It is YOU who justify the rape of children in the name of your religion.
     
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    That is exactly what one would expect from a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. Didn't you read the URL?

    Because she was nine. Please review Statuatory Rape. I'm amazed that you're unfamiliar with the concept.

    In other revolting news... Muhammad was molesting her when she was six:

    The permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar).

    After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:
    As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.​
     
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    "Stockholm syndrome is a psychological shift that occurs in captives when they are threatened gravely but are shown acts of kindness by their captors"

    When was Aishah (R) ever "threatened gravely" or "held against her will" at any point of her natural life? Since we are talking about rape here, you should be mentioning Rape trauma syndrome, which is the correct medical term experienced by rape victims, not Stockholm's.


    This is a modern law term which has no meaning in a 6th century Arabia (or for that matter, Semitic culture) where girls marrying at puberty is the norm.

    Not related to the topic of "rape" at all and this simply did not happen. The Prophet (PBUH) did not consummate the marriage until she reached puberty.

    SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 7, Number 88: Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet (when He was 53 years old) wrote the marriage contract with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

    And here is the fatawa from Islam Q-A on the matter:

    So the allegation made by you is just yet another lie, since it is forbidden for Muslims to have sex with a wife who has not reached puberty.
     
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    Its funny to watch you admit to, and endorse the barbarism of your culture and that of Mohammad in the same breath you use to defend it. Do you realize how many of your fellow Muslims on this forum have spent thread after thread denying what you here just admitted to? They even went so far as to speak out against the molestation of children as something that is wrong, something most of them wont do when talking about killing Jews. I guess that makes you the winner of the highly coveted "Most Radical Muslim on DP" prize.

    What I find Ironic is when I hear people like Nightcrawlers, a Pakistani who struggles with his English, talking about how the people who endorse this activity are backwards country people living in the border regions. Your English is FAR better than his, which makes me think you are a resident of a western nation and a beneficiary of western education, and yet you still sign off on child molestation. That plays heavily against Nightcrawlers argument that child molestation is not a "Muslim" thing, but an education thing. Perhaps he is far more educated than you, but just doesn't speak English. Whatever the story is, I can't think of a situation where it plays out in your favor.
     
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