PageRank does affect rankings

Discussion in 'Google' started by Jim4767, May 25, 2010.

  1. #1
    It's quite common to read webmasters on this forum saying something like: "PageRank has nothing to do with rankings." That oft-repeated statement is wrong.

    Here's a quote from the "Official Google Webmaster Central Blog" — http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/10/good-times-with-inbound-links.html — "As many of you know, relevant, quality inbound links can affect your PageRank (one of many factors in our ranking algorithm)."

    I draw two conclusions from this official Google post:
    (1) PageRank does affect rank in the Google search engine.
    (2) It is "one of many" ranking factors.
     
    Jim4767, May 25, 2010 IP
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  2. Mr.Submit

    Mr.Submit Active Member

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    Pagerank was most important factor of Google ranking algorithm at beginning.
    These days, it can pay less important role, but I still believe that it's one of key factors.
    However, I do understand if visual pagerank can be fake and Google hides the real pagerank value to protect ranking algo from manipulation.
     
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  3. eimroda

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    yes, but its weight is not that as much as before. I can see many pages with n/a in their PR but are dominating the SERPs, even beating pages with high PR's.
     
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    I cannot recall exactly where this came from, but I am sure it was Matt Cutts that said there were somewhere in the region of 200 different ranking factors. I think I was watching a video on seomoz.org so it might have been from there. Either way I have always considered PR to be a contributing factor in the ranking of my sites.
     
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  5. tera

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    #5
    Pagerank is helping rankings.BUT as a reference not as main factor.
    For example, if page a had 4 pr5 backlinks it will be crawled regulary and the freshnes factor will be present enough in comparison to page b with 4 pr3 backlinks.Now if your site has a lot of pr pages it will be crawled more regulary and that believe me is what we say..... google loves you ;).
     
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    at least we can use pagerank to see how google recognize our site and also show off to others
     
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    Excellent sharing and I do agreed that PR is one of their hundred factors. However, I am saying this based on my own experiences and own "assumption" - I do not think PR is a big ranking factor like it used to be in many years ago. Google has fine tuned to handling on PR abused by webmasters around the globe, especially for site value estimator and link selling purpose.
     
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  8. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    Yes, I have read Matt Cutts's comments that PR is one of, say, 200 or so ranking factors. What Matt did not say is that PR is only 1/200 (or one half of one percent) of the ranking algorithm. That would contradict Google's statement elsewhere that "...Pages that we believe are important pages receive a higher PageRank and are more likely to appear at the top of the search results." — http://www.google.com/corporate/tech.html

    In any case, it's a moot point. PR comes from good, relevant backlinks. So we don't need to "chase PR". We do need to get good backlinks, for PR and for other obvious reasons.
     
    Jim4767, May 25, 2010 IP
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    leepee Active Member

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    The reference link is almost 2 years old & I think the algorithm might be changed now.Can you please add the link of Matt where he said about the relation between PR & ranking.

    I've gone through several articles where it clearly explained that PR is not so important for Google as it was before and at anytime Google may stop updating PR.
     
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    Good find. Of course it should effect rankings on some level. This is because higher PR means more backlinks from authority sites. This helps you rank better for your terms, which effects your SERPS. While it's possible to get great traffic without high PR, it makes it much easier to rank for competitive, high-volume kws with PR.
     
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    This post from October 09, 2008 :s

     
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    In my view web sites that have good page ranks can achieve stable rankings even if the PR is a little measure for search ranks...
     
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  13. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    The post is from today, May 25, 2010. The Google link in the post is "©2010 Google". The other Google link in my earlier post in this thread is also "©2010 Google". All current information.
     
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    People that say that PR isn't a factor are sadly mistaken.
     
    JHybrid, May 25, 2010 IP
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    The most important part to take from that... is that it's just one of many things involved... high PR does NOT equal good search listings necessarily. Likewise, a PR0 site can beat sites with much higher page rank.
     
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    I agree with how PR give influence to rankings. We can see most of top ranked sites in highly searched keywords are those with good PR. But a lower PR site could also perform even better if you get relevant backlinks and doing the correct onpage SEO.
     
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    In my own experiences, PR is only a ranking factor but not decisive one since PR and SERP do share many identical factors themselves. If you have a nice PR, that would usually mean you have a better quality of your page contents and backlinks. But, quantity of your backlinks is also an important issue for SERP and might be decisive, IMO.

    Thanks,
     
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  18. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    Yes, this is true sometimes. But all other factors being equal, I'll bet on the higher PR site to outrank the lower one.
     
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    PR remains one of the ranking factors, but, as it was said above, it's not a key one.
     
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    Yes, I cn't agree with you anymore. According to what I know, PR does affect rankings indeed. However, as one of important ranking factors, Google are ready to pay as little as attention to PR because many webmasters are still regarding PR as an vital factor of ranking in Google.
     
    duia, May 26, 2010 IP