O Obamanation O my Lord lol it applies on condition in some cases if a women reach to periods in 35 years what you ll say she is not SHE ?? weather of the area mostly counted you are authority who confirms that in which age she ll be mature do so as you want again Helvetii banned it means she is not allowed to talk here for a specific time Why ??? she have not right to speech ? the world can not be speech free conditions must apply the Right of human is he can migrate anywhere in the world this is the right but no one is giving this to anyone you can not enter into a country without there permission
Helvetti is banned because this is a private forum and she did something the people who administer it didn't like. You seem very confused as to what argument you are driving at. If your point is that there must be standards, you'll get no argument out of me. By Western standards, there is NOTHING wrong with drawing Mohammad, but there is DEFINITELY something wrong with having sex with a minor(someone under 18). You seem to feel Jesi's comments were OK when she said it was a Muslim's right/requirement to "protest" and "fight" at a governmental and individual level when other people do things that insult your beliefs, regardless of their culture. I don't imagine you would want predator drones dropping bombs on the houses of people in Pakistan having sex with minors. You want tolerance for Islam, but refuse to provide tolerance for people of other religions within Pakistan who might desire to use Facebook and don't find pictures of Mohammad offensive. This demonstrates one standard that your culture and mine are both aware of, and resent. It is called hypocrisy.
And still there are far more cases in your country than Pakistan!! It is also a crime here and the percentage is much below than your country. As far as drawing the pictures, making fun and humiliating any religion is a sin! I don't know what is your religion or you are an Atheist. Like no one can comment about holocaust and make cartoons. So why someone make fun of others religion without any reason, if you don't like it don't adopt it rather than insulting and humiliating. I don't get it what are you trying to say here!
Due to some illegel activity from that country it's now banned for spcially Pakisthan, now a days Face book started to weak up!
it is banned because there was some objectionable cartoon of prophet mohammad....pakistan government tried to persuade the site but when they did not agree, they banned the site. not just only facebook, twitter and youtube is also banned there
In the words of Philip Pullman: nobody has the right not to be offended Go out there people and ridicule whoever and whatever your heart desires, be it Mohammed, Jews, atheists, Europeans, Americans or any other group, individual or organisation out there. Use the grey matter slumbering between your ears to its fullest capacity. Cheers
Source? If you are going to make a claim like that, you need to provide a source. So far this conversation has been based on comments made by Muslims about how a woman is given in marriage once she hits puberty. You claim it is against the law, but yet it happens and some statistics indicate more than 50% of the girls under 15 are already in an arranged marriage in Pakistan. I am also aware it has happened in the US in certain religious cults, but it is definitely not a practice that is recommended by mainstream Christianity and is statistically practically non-existent. Again, you have incorrect information. Anyone can comment on the Holocaust and make cartoons, and people do. I am helping you to imagine a world in which the US and Western nations behaved according to the words Jesi earlier put to print. He said that the governments of Muslim populations should fight and kill those who insult the beliefs of Islam, and if the Governments will not do it, then Muslims should take it upon themselves to do so. I'm saying the practice of sex with children is a large insult to the beliefs of practically every western nation. If we were to think like Jesi does, there would be predator drones dropping bombs on the houses of people who have sex with children(50% of your population?). I'm sure that is not something you would want, so why would you sit silently by while your fellow Muslims call for similar actions against those drawing Mohammad?
I do not know Mr. Pullman, but if he went around offending people all the time, is he also your role model ? People who start an argument are what we call intimidators. Do you like being intimidated ? If not, please stop pushing this type of conduct on others. Peace.
I am openly a follower of Jesus Christ. However, there is plenty of blasphemy about my Lord going on on Facebook. My view is that I just won't take part in those types of actions or discussions. Facebook allows plenty of Freedom of Speech at their website, they aren't "racist" towards any religion from my view. I think Pakistan needs to get off their high horse. Facebook just doesn't care enough to remove, it has nothing to do with their view.
Uh, no. Main Entry: in·tim·i·date Pronunciation: \in-ˈti-mÉ™-ËŒdÄt\ Function: transitive verb Inflected Form(s): in·tim·i·dat·ed; in·tim·i·dat·ing Etymology: Medieval Latin intimidatus, past participle of intimidare, from Latin in- + timidus timid Date: 1646 1. to make timid or fearful : frighten; especially : to compel or deter by or as if by threats <tried to intimidate a witness> Intimidation is what the Muslims are doing in response to the Facebook pages(or anything else) they find offensive, and no I absolutely hate being intimidated. Perhaps the word you were looking for was instigate? P.S., thanks for calling out the behavior of those making threats for what it is.
50% I wouldn't agree on these statistics as these are exaggerated and do you know when the news about such marriages are leaked High court, Supreme court and Police have taken action against them. And another thing mostly these cases arises in those areas where no education and no knowledge of anything not even about Islam. These are the areas where terrorists are brainwashed and our Army is fighting against those people. Then why the Holocaust page was removed from facebook when it was reported? 50% of our population that makes about 90 million people having sex with children?? are you trying to say this! I have to say you need to quote a proper 100% accurate proof of this statement. Lets say 10% of our population which makes 1.8 million people! and if there is a single case of underage marriage or child molestation it comes to media next day and action is taken and 1.8 million cases why only 2 to 3 cases have been reported after a month or so? You really need to correct your source.
Reread the quote and read up some more on Mr. Pullman before making an uniformed statement. "Pushing this kind of conduct on others", haha nice one mate, this is exactly what Pullman was talking about. Why don't you "stop pushing this kind of conduct" on others yourself? Why should I care about an ungrounded, non-logical, completely irrelevant believe? Why should I be forced to structure my live around somebody else's believe? Consider this for a moment, suppose I was a hardcore devotee of the flying, pink unicorn, the overlord of all the creator of everything. If you happen to denounce my deity, can I call you out on it? Can I start acting all offended? Can I force you to "stop pushing this kind of conduct" and have some respect for my dearly held believe? Hardly so, right? The world just doesn't function this way... "Nobody has he right not to be offended"
"Anything" is not exactly right. For instance, you can't say "I'm going to kill you". That is called a threat of violence and will get you arrested(in this country). You also can't say "Everyone needs to get together and kill these people" because that is a direct incitement to violence. You can call it racist, whether it is or not. You can call it hateful. You can complain. You can boycott it. You can petition to have it removed. You can even file suit against Facebook, or those posting such pictures, though I doubt the courts would give your case much merit. It was Facebook's call, but certainly not mandated by law. I guess they made the decision that making fun of the slaughter of millions of people was more distasteful then posting drawings of a human being. Is their moral compass fucked up or what? I provided one link. If you read the link, more important than it's estimation that 50% of the girls 15 and under had already been married, was that it pointed out the FACT the Pakistani government is not keeping statistics on this. That means you and I can go back and forth and make estimations and claims, but neither of us will be quoting from statistics. As a side note, poor and incorrect statistic keeping in countries like yours is a major contributing factor to why yours and other Muslim countries do not top the charts in rapes and other sex offenses. The rapes are happening, they are just not kept track of, or they are not called rape (like when you have sex for the first time with your child bride). I agree with your point about the less educated people being the ones who still carry on this practice, but it doesn't change the fact it happens. I'm glad to see you find it as repulsive as I do. I had a 13 year old girl chatting me up in Morocco a few years back, making an effort to get out of the marriage her parents were making for her, and I wasn't out in the back country. This may be anecdotal evidence, but based on that one experience, I'd say the practice is probably still common place in most Muslim nations.
I don't want to oppose my whole nation! IMO there would be lot better ways of doing the protest like Boycotting the products made in those countries. The thing is Muslims are touchy about their religion and everyone is. And filing a suit against those are not possible as those are not in Muslim countries. Like any other crime insulting any religion is considered crime here and if any Muslim use hate speech against Christian here they will surely be arrested and many cases have been reported. Yes morally why would anyone insult any religion and what it makes you give? I don't get an idea WHY? Rapes and sex offenders are in every country like I said whenever there is a case action is taken against them even if it is underage marriage. A couple of months back Chief Justice of Supreme court took action against the marriage and whole family was sent to jail. Even a fully developed country cannot stop these sex offenders.
Uh yes. When people are overly aggressive they will usually intimidate others. Since most all, if not everyone, does not like to be intimidated, regardless of belief, they should not try to do it to others, correct ? It is just plain common courtesy, and has little or nothing to do with religious conviction. When religious types are overly agressive, they will usually push ( force ) their religion on others, even to the point of "intimidating" them.