What Do You Think of Tupac "2pac" Shakur?

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  1. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #41
    Are they reporting or exaserbating?

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/08/22/BAGS2KMQ6S1.DTL

     
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  2. Rick_Michael

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    #42
    Well, it's a bit different.

    In texas you can shoot anyone trepassing on your land, and unless it's an 80 year old they won't really look for prosecution. I've heard cases in California, where people get punched in means of evading an attack, and our successfully sued....silly things, which don't make sense. State's chose their policy, and if they're not defined clear enough or aren't rational enough, then judges can do about anything with them.
     
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  3. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #43
    A message privelaged old white men could never relate to nor understand :rolleyes:
     
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  4. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #44
    You are right, I've never understood the lure of young white males to pretend to be pimps and conduct themselves in a manner totally opposite of how and where they were raised. I think of it as a lack of self-esteem, when one has to "act" out like others in an attempt to draw attention to themselves. How about you?
     
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  5. Rick_Michael

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    #45
    A journalist doesn't become an al-queda member in order to report on al-queda. There's many rappers out there that report of the problems, but try not to be a part of it. I guess that's a bit of old-school fashion, but it does exist. He was part of the standard at that time, which was to behave overtly emotional, and not consider the consequence ie keepin it real...thus it gave him loads of money.

    Although with his voice I'm sure he could have lived with a bit less contraversy, and still made a good living. I'm not saying easy life, and I think it told a story that people usually never hear,...but I think he should have been a better demonstration of those values. Talks cheap.
     
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  6. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #46
    "Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. Im not the thief who grabs your purse. Im not the guy who jacks your car. Im not down with the people who steal and hurt others. Im just a brother who fights back."
     
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    #47
    With my AK and my bitch at my side...
     
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  8. Rick_Michael

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    #48
    Do you think everyone that get his record also get all his messages?

    Probably not.
     
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  9. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #49
    Of course not. Is that his fault? :confused:
     
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  10. northpointaiki

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    #50
    Off topic - but you're lumping Malcolm X in with Hitler, and calling him "disturbed." Care to elaborate?
     
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    #51
    Another one of these. I think honestly, hes still floatin around. Unless he really HAD A LOT of music stashed somewhere and DJ's and other record companies are just puttin his music out there little by little.
     
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  12. Rick_Michael

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    #52
    The context was a varying state of being problematic. Malcolm was a black nationalist/separists (whom was a self-described communist), with an odd idealogy and history. The man himself was a 'pre-psychotic paranoid schizophrenic', whom surround himself with people that thought all white men were the devil...so it's safe to say he's disturbed.

    Hitler had a different method/level of insanity, but still came-out a racial nationalists. It just so happens he was extremely pragmatic w/an inpractical idealogy... and violent of coarse. The man was beaten throughout his youth, and was probably the scarest person to see in a picture that I've seen ie his child pic was disturbing.

    Two different men,....one obviously committed to his idealogy, and the other just didn't have the solid backing to do such.

    Note: I must say that atleast Malcolm reformed latter in his life.

    "Human rights are something you were born with. Human rights are your God-given rights. Human rights are the rights that are recognized by all nations of this earth."
    "In the past, yes, I have made sweeping indictments of all white people. I will never be guilty of that again — as I know now that some white people are truly sincere, that some truly are capable of being brotherly toward a black man. The true Islam has shown me that a blanket indictment of all white people is as wrong as when whites make blanket indictments against blacks."
    "Since I learned the truth in Mecca my dearest friends have come to include all kinds — some Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, agnostics, and even atheists! I have friends who are called capitalists, socialists, and communists! Some of my friends are moderates, conservatives, extremists — some are even Uncle Toms! My friends today are black, brown, red, yellow, and white!" [5]
    "While in Mecca, for the first time in my life, I could call a man with blond hair and blue eyes my brother."
     
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  13. northpointaiki

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    #53
    Right - which is why I wondered about the analogy. As a young follower of Elijah Muhammad, his nationalist/separatist agenda was clear. But the above quotes do not represent a Hitler, in any way, shape or form, so I wonder why you chose to equate the two. I also cannot judge Malcolm too harshly for his politics - I think I might myself get testy if I lived in a land that allowed businesses and petty fiefdoms to treat me like dog shit based on the color of my skin ("Lunch? Sure, just make sure you sit your black ass out of sight; oh, and water, yep, but DO NOT drink from my fountain!"), that used violence to suppress my right to free association (firehoses, anyone?), that basically, in its institutions and cultural norms, declares its hatred for you, as a black person in America. I think, to put it bluntly, he was "sick of this shit," and in saying so, he spoke for millions.

    As a Northerner, too, I have never been deceived that this problem - this racial divide of our own making - is relegated to South of the Mason-Dixon line. A recent example, few years ago - hunting, in Illinois, in Galena. Staying at a motel not far from the hunting land. A group of fellow hunters, believing they were speaking to their own version of a fellow traveler, asking what Chicago was like to live in, given "you got a lot a' niggers and all." These fine gentlemen hailed from Northern Illinois. And based on my own experiences as far north as it gets - da U.P., da land of da pasty - fear and hatred of other ethnicities is an all too commonplace thing. My good friend, one of my Aikido students, an American of Mexican descent, employed in cancer research and on his way, I am sure, to becoming a fine young doctor, could make no friends the first year of his study in our fair city. I've been with him in line at the bank when he gets hostile stares. This is not hyperbole, this is our legacy, and I believe it rots us to the core as a nation.

    Such, I believe, was the world Malcolm X found himself in. I do not condone violence, but I understand how difficult it might be not to turn down the path. And he later disavowed it, as your quotes attest. A Hitlerian ideology?

    Couple of other issues:

    - of being "disturbed." "'Pre-psychotic paranoid schizophrenic' is a clinical diagnosis. Proof?

    -Communist? An ideology patently in contradiction to the theism of Malcolm's Islam? If what you're referring to is his meeting with Castro, while supporting Castro's commitment to racial equality, he in fact disavowed any alignment with communism, given it is an "athestic" ideology; in his Playboy interview with Alex Haley, Malcolm X refers to both communism and fascism as "heresies"; his later embracing of "atheists," as given by your quote above, attests that he earlier did not embrace atheists. Again, proof that he was a "self-described communist?" (further - even if your contention were true - do we not live in a land that allows for such freedom of association?).
     
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    #54
    Tupac was very talented.
     
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    #55
    Yeah, he could speak words over stolen (er, I mean sampled) music. With that criteria William Shatner would be a God.
     
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    #56
    I can't help it, I like rap :D :eek:
     
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  17. northpointaiki

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    #57
    Isn't he? C'mon, the guy got laid on every planet in the Universe - by blue-skinned hotties and Cleopatra-like sirens. Not bad - must have been the cool sideburns.:cool:
     
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    #58
    Yeah, but it didn't last that long.
     
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  19. yfs1

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    #59
    Except earth where his wife drowned herself rather then sleep with him ;)
     
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    #60
    Janet Jackson turned him down when they filmed Poetic Justice together, so he couldn't get every girl. She actually said he was actually having a very hard time taking no for an answer.
     
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