heard that we have 4 Bibles which wrote by 4 disciples of Jesus after he crucified. then how can call them as word of God when these four guys hadn't any contact with God?
I think we should follow the rules of God that is so important for us, they ware messenger of God who dedicated his life to teach us the meaning of life.
I think you are referring to the four Gospels which form part of the New Testament. The New Testament is the second part of the whole book called the "Bible".
yeah, thanks for complete me. but what's your thinking about it? are these four Gospels word of God or not? had Gospels writers got it from God or their thinking and memory? is it possible they wrote something wrong?
It's funny how you say that! These disciples accompanied Jesus all the time! They witnessed all the events. The words came through the holy spirit.
how it work? they weren't God or messengers of God I think and wrote bible after some years that hadn't any contact with Jesus? no any mistake was possible? in another thread you said: if we accept messenger never interpreted words of God in wrong way then can assume it for disciples who weren't messenger and wrote 4 books?
No, they are only historical accounts written by anonymous writers who were the followers of the followers of Jesus, but not contemporaries of Jesus himself. Bart D. Ehrman is widely considered to the best authority on the subject of the authenticity of the New Testament (and specifically, the gospels), and he says: "We have good evidence to indicate that in the early decades of transmission numerous changes were made to the texts in circulation: as words or entire lines came to be left out inadvertently or inadvertently copied twice, stylistic changes were made, words were substituted for one another, evident infelicities or outright mistakes were corrected, and so on…It is a striking feature of our textual record that the earliest copies we have of the various books that became the New Testament vary from one another far more widely than do the later copies, which were made under more controlled circumstances in the Middle Ages. Moreover, the quotations of the New Testament by early church fathers evidence a wide array of textual variation dating from these earliest stages in the history of transmission." (Bruce M. Metzger, Bart D. Ehrman, The Text Of The New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration, 2005, Fourth Edition, Oxford University Press, pp. 275-276) For further reading, I suggest that you get his works on the subject.
thanks a lot Awinsjclark to correct me. as I see you are master about this subject. wow it become harder I think. so human chose which books are word of God! hard decision I guess! and it became fact for ever!? no any addition acceptable? I wonder why God is so silence! maybe he/she/it accepted the rule?
There is no proof those four disciples even wrote any of those documents, never mind God. The oldest documents in existence date back to around the year 200ad, and are only small fragments of documents. The bulk of the oldest documents in existence date to around the year 400 ad, 400 years after Jesus' birth but more closely tied to the birth of the Holy Catholic church. The burden of proof plays out something like this: 1) First you have to prove that the bible we have today hasn't been completely mistranslated over 2000 years, or at least filled with many many many small but important mistakes in translation from the originals (which we dont have) 2) Then you have to believe that what was canonized were the complete and accurate list of texts that were the bible. That none were added or removed by the group of people seeking political power at the time. 3) Then you have to prove that the original copies (which we dont have) were authored by the people who's names they carry. 4) Then you have to prove that the original copies were not a work of fiction 5) Then you have to make the mental leap to say that, given that everything above is true and proven, that the book was actually God, speaking through the hand of those people. Now that takes no small amount of faith. Hahahahaha. Luke needs the cover and privacy of PMs to discuss religion for fear the bullshit he spreads have the light of day(other voices) shone upon it. His conversations need to be hidden by necessity. It is where the definition of Cult came from. oc·cult    /əˈkʌlt, ˈɒkʌlt/ [uh-kuhlt, ok-uhlt] –adjective 1. of or pertaining to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies. 2. beyond the range of ordinary knowledge or understanding; mysterious. 3. secret; disclosed or communicated only to the initiated. 4. hidden from view. 5. (in early science) a. not apparent on mere inspection but discoverable by experimentation. b. of a nature not understood, as physical qualities. c. dealing with such qualities; experimental: occult science. 6. Medicine/Medical. present in amounts too small to be visible: a chemical test to detect occult blood in the stool.
The four gospels mentioned we're written by future people (future from those four people I mean). The same thing applies to the Quran/Koran. The same thing applies to the Jewish Tanakh Want to talk change? All we're subject to such Just to confuse things check this out > http://kd-mains.com/osama-bin-laden-revelations.htm Image 4 - then of course tell me the usual - I changed stuff or that can be found in any old book. I will just say "OK if you say so I am stupid and it took me 20 years to find out nowt".
This is a great reminder why it's best NOT to attend church until you find something that really preaches scripture.
There are other ways to communicate than Text - or the one text supposedly written in stone by God, the ridiculous Christian 10 Commandments that somehow were lost - only demonstrates text even written by God is not what has meaning but the conclusions derived through thought after their rendering - which everyone knows is corrupt per our expulsion and therefore even reading text will not solve anything than finding for ourselves the peaces enabling remittance that are made whole again by conquering evil which is the meaning for all the Abrahamic religions that will unite them together in preventing Armageddon for the true believers. The Bible, Koran, Torah (Jewish Bible?) etc. in fact are the same from God with the single message to conquer evil and prevent Armageddon to accomplish remittance for those who are true believers. The Garden also is a living Bible, not so easily read either than the others.
Very presumptuous of you to compare the Qur'anul Karim with the Bible. The Qur'an and the Bible are two different books with two different modes of transmission. While the Bible was written by unknown scribes who have the tendency to insert or delete whatever they feel is correct for them, the Qur'an remained as a single, preserved oral text imprinted on the hearts of hundreds of people. The Qur'an today is the same Qur'an that was revealed 1400 years ago.