Signs of the last days and reference to terrorism on christians in the Bible

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by luke12, May 1, 2010.

  1. #1
    As a Christian..what I find so fascinating about the holy Bible other than any book that exists or ever will exist..is that it predicted the coming of Jesus accurately [old testament] and predicts the last days of this finite world [new testament]. Whether you like it or not...everything has a beginning & an end...except eternal God.

    The book of God- the bible shall not be under-estimated and that is why not everyone can truly read it. To most people..even some Christians, Bible is just another bunch of words on paper.

    So..who can decipher this book of God? in other words, who is qualified to understand?

    Simply put..only those who own the Holy spirit given from God and only those who are True faithful Christians to accept the Word of God. This is not sweet poetry. This is the truth.

    Jesus mentioned few signs of the end of the world:

    Wars..nations against nations...major earthquakes (all this happened).. and many that still to come but a noticeable one was:

    "You will be thrown out of synagogues. Certainly, the time is coming when people who murder you will think that they are serving God" John 16:2. Read the bold carefully..

    We have seen many signs of this..unfortunately..those people are misconceived to think that killing an innocent body from another opposing religion will lead them to heaven...

    What is your opinion on Bible references and your opinion on the last days?
    throw down your comments.
     
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  2. Helvetii

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    If god kills everyone, he would get bored. So I don't think he will "end the world" :rolleyes:
     
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    The worst things about religions is that the prophecies of the scriptures are self-fulfilling. That it encourages people to strive and worship death instead of to acquire knowledge and more importantly to know what knowledge actually means.

    Exactly. And this is why god is not likely to exist.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    I've never heard of entropy being used as a scientific argument against the likelihood of the existence of god, but I like it. Of course Asimov's answer has taken that into account.
     
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    I didn't take the time to read your link but my point was that according to science, nothing is eternal. The most stable element of the universe is the proton, which also have a mean lifetime of 10[sup]29[/sup] years, or about 10 billion times the age of the universe.
    As we know of absolutely nothing which is eternal, an eternal god can exist only if we assume that an eternal god exists. There is however no reason to assume something which is so unlikely based on what we know.
     
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    Read the link. It was written by an atheist.
     
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    Nice story.
    Stars not only die but are also born ;) Our sun was born as well some 4 billion years ago and hence belongs to the so-called "2nd generation stars".
     
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    You are an example for who have deceived the word of God, through interpretation of the Bible.

    The prophecy from Noah is two sided: The triumph of evil, the triumph of good - The word of God is to be a triumph of good over evil to accomplish remittance.

    You Christians who are saving only yourselves through Christ per your interpretation will have a short and final existence. Were Armageddon to occur, it would be the final failing of man that all would be responsible for: i.e. Christians miss the point - the Word of God is do not let it happen - the followers of God are meant to stop it.

    The bibles interpretation of following Christ, rather than accomplishing the triumph of good on earth as the mission for the followers of God, is your own scapegoat and recipe for disaster.
     
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    You got it all wrong. The end of the world does not mean slaughter of the world. The end of the world is when everyone gets judged on their good and bad on earth. The dead will rise not by body but by soul. The world will have another dimension that no one has ever experienced because God will come with his angels and everyone will be able to see God whether they are in Africa or south America. After God judges the righteous from the bad, those chosen will accompany God to heaven. The bad of course will go to hell. Earth and other planets will not have any role in this universe. It will be all gone.
     
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    Of course the good always wins and will always have the right choice. I don't understand what point I am missing? Not only us..anyone who accepts God through Christian faith and live faithful on earth..will be saved. You can think of Noah's saving himself and his own people from the flood as a symbolism to what is going to happen in the end of the world. The ark symbolizes Jesus and christian faith that saves people from the bad comings. Anyone were welcome to come in with Noah and save himself...everyone mocked him and they all got what they deserved.
     
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    You are not making a solid point here. God cannot be measured on your human dimensions. God exists everywhere because he is the creator. All things were made through God.
    God is eternal...so no start or end. You are comparing your knowledge of science, protons, stars with the existence of God. God is way beyond that
     
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    The end of the world really isn't the end of it. Its more so the end of what this world stands for and the evil systems which operate it. Remember, it talks in Revelation about the world and the heavens being burned by fire, and then there is a new world and new heavens. It is here that a final cleansing takes place and therefore the world continues. Lot of people for some reason think life itself ends, but that is not true at all. Its just this current world system that comes to a complete end.
     
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    You got all this from the bible? I've read the bible several times, and I didn't see any of what you are talking about in there. Are you sure you aren't making this all up?

    Another bible question: I've been talking to my son, since he was recently married. His wife is extremely hot. Proverbs 5:18-19 says:
    18 May your fountain be blessed,
    and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.

    19 A loving doe, a graceful deer—
    may her breasts satisfy you always,
    may you ever be captivated by her love.


    So I've been trying to rejoice in the wife of my youth, and have her bless my fountain, be satisfied in her breasts, etc, etc, etc, but my youth's wife seems to protest, as does my youth. It seems they are in contradiction of bible principals so I'm wondering if they are going to hell.
     
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    I will ignore your second point because it is off topic and I don't want to go off-topic. The old testament goes through very deep symbolism because that was the nature of the time and no-one can truly interpret the words behind them unless they are very faithful with lots of studies into Christianity, I am not at that level yet. That being said, I will send you a pm soon to tell you more about it and explain what that verse meant.

    For your first point, I bet you haven't read the bible sufficiently. You got to read it with open heart and eyes. Again, read the first paragraph of my thread. Now, here is a simple quote from the bible which shows what I was speaking of.

    Matthew 13:40-43:
    "Just as the weeds are collected and burned up with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let anyone with ears listen!"
     
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    Why are people so fixated on "The Bible"? It's just a book pagan emperor Constantine put together leaving out important scripture (Book of Enoch) and managing to put together something including scripture and questionable material (anything related to "Paul"). Yet to this day American and European "Christians" eat it up as a given. Accept what is in there just like the fact that Sabbath was changed to Sun-Day.

    In other words, differentiate between what was there when Yeshua lived and stop perpetuating the lies spread after that. I believe revelations is authentic and it looks like things are closing in. But I cannot believe after all those years and with the info available today, people continue to blindly follow whatever their pastor is saying and refuse to look deeper into the history of alterations performed on the writings which would influence the mindset of the masses until this very day.
     
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    Enlighten us...tell me specific reasons why I should NOT follow the bible and follow other books or theories perhaps.
     
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    So much of what Paul said was in contrast to what Yeshua preached.

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/note.php?note_id=387802269142


    http://questioningpaul.com/Questioning_Paul-Galatians-00-Letter_to_the_Reader.Paul


    Yet how do we know he even existed?
     
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    Twice isn't enough?

    So in what way does that indicate that "The world will have another dimension that no one has ever experienced because God will come with his angels and everyone will be able to see God whether they are in Africa or south America." Maybe I missed something, or perhaps I didn't have an open enough heart (have to have open eyes to read, so I'm going to assume I am covered on that one).

    How do you know the Proverb is meant to be taken symbolically? Aren't most of the book of proverbs considered just good common sense, thus the saying, "a wise old proverb"? How does one know when to interpret and when to take the direct meaning, and who decides which is right? What if you are wrong, and the proverb is to be taken literally, and my son and his wife are going to burn in hell because she wont go down on me? Won't you also then go to hell for blasphemously spreading falsehoods in contradiction to the bible? That sounds like a mighty big risk.
     
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