What did you say about wikileaks Video?

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  1. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #61
    Not surprising, and not surprising that you don't know what I'm talking about either.

    Thanks for the clarifying your logic. According to you, not only is every enemy combatant an innocent civilian, but every US soldier is a mercenary because he gets a paycheck.

    Its hard to know whether you should be pitied or loathed. Probably best to be safe and go with both.
     
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    atvking Active Member

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    mer·ce·nar·y (mûrs-nr)
    adj.
    1. Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain.
    2. Hired for service in a foreign army.
    n. pl. mer·ce·nar·ies
    1. One who serves or works merely for monetary gain; a hireling.
    2. A professional soldier hired for service in a foreign army.


    90% of you well educated (irony) population cant even find iraq on the map...all they know is what is spoon fed to them by your media like the WMD lie :rolleyes: ...claiming that they do it for any other reason then being mostly drop out losers who could not score a better paying job is just ridiculous LOL...

    the US mercenary gets:

    benefits
    combat pay
    enlistment/re-enlistment bonuses
    family education
    housing allowance
    medical care
    and of course the "pay" itself...

    in a job where you get free food and shelter and you need no education at all it sure beats unemployment right :rolleyes: ...you make it sound like the mercenaries heart bleeds to help poor 3rd world countries he does not know shit about LOL...or you may try to explain it like "keeping our nuclear superpower country safe from poorly armed 3rd world countries that never did shit to the USA" LOL...

    truth is you are just well organized terrorists with good marketing...




    ter·ror·ism
       /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.
    the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
    2.
    the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
    3.
    a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
     
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  3. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #63
    Hitler certainly thought as much. Moron.
     
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    atvking Active Member

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    #64

    no need to sign your posts as "moron" :D
     
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  5. GReddy4u

    GReddy4u Active Member

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    #65
    I wouldn't say he's a moron, more of a degenerate neocon in my opinion. Also, I'd suggest you realize he is more than likely a paid blogger at the most and freedom hater at the least, attempting to spread a certain twisted ideology. Out of his 2,000 posts, 99% of them are in the political/religion forums, seems pretty obvious to myself.

    Us Americans are given false reasons as to why we are involved in many of the wars. Our corrupt media supports the confusion and fear mongering to increase hatred and overall satisfaction with what our military is lead to do. As a country we're so dehumanized it's not even funny. Our society sees a video of our military throwing a dog off a cliff and goes haywire, yet 1 innocent killed nothing, 100 killed, nothing, 150 Million+ by marxists, neocons in the past century, hardly anything. The same tyrannical powers are driving Americas empire today but the means are changing from weaponized warfare to sterilization for the most part.

    So you're statement, for the most part, is illogical. The majority (deep down inside you agree) of americans don't understand what is going. Even if they are watching msnbc or even your idol Karl Rove, they aren't getting the full picture nor the correct picture. They are getting an "acceptable" format of news to keep them uninvolved and out of the way of those who are trying to achieve certain domestic and global agendas.

    We created the image of Sadam Hussein, raised him up, made him s.o.s. and promised the killing to stop. Then in 79' when he got into the presidency we told him to kill, kill, kill, attack iran, attack iran, and what happened? 1.3 million deaths.

    Our own C.I.A. OSS (Office of Strategic Services at the time), brought Mao Tse-tung into power and praised his slaughter of over 50 Million innocents. Just because we are Americans doesn't mean we have to support a war or global situation our government wants to intervene in. This is another reason as to why globalization and empire building is terrible and a weapon against the freedom of mankind, but go ahead, I know your corrupt mind or shill script won't allow you to agree, Blogmaster.
     
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  6. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #66
    Don't be such a hater, Greddy. If you keep promoting your $.015 Per/word writing service in your signature, it might pay off eventually. Or, maybe not...


    Did you forget who you were talking to, again?
     
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  7. GReddy4u

    GReddy4u Active Member

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    #67
    Paid blogger, as in paid to spread a certain point of view, a.k.a. shill. He, Obamanation/Karl Rove idolizer, is who I'm referring to. But yes, I did either forget or not pay attention to his name, I disagree with many of the people here and focus more on the debate rather than details such as ones name or studying links in their signature. As for my services, they do pay off but I tend to only work with content clients away from digitalpoint as of late, who offer more along the lines of .03-.05 per word. Please PM me if you'd like to comment on any more of my online work, if not, I suggest you add something valuable to the topic (such as wars, military involvement, perception about how we go about war), instead of commenting on my signature.
     
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  8. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #68
    I can comment on whatever I feel like commenting on. Normally, I don't really like to argue, but the majority of your posts are simply insults for anyone that disagrees with you. In case you've forgotten, you already raised your suspicion and concern about me that 99% of my posts are in P & R, called me a collectivist, suggested I might be paid to create posts here, blah, blah, blah. Do you just cut and paste all the same insults for anyone that happens to disagree with you?
     
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  9. GReddy4u

    GReddy4u Active Member

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    #69
    Seeing as all of my posts contain debate points, facts and my personal opinion, I'd say you're wrong. As for yourself, I'm just seeing you comment on peoples signature instead of add something of relevance to the thread. Your friend Obamanation seems to do the same, except just post one sentence calling people morons, with the occasionally attempt to persuade me that being a neocon is a good thing. And no, I don't question the authentic of everyone I disagree with, just people who join web development forums to discuss politics/religion 99% of the time, which is a very common theme amongst shills. More than likely, you're probably not, I only considered it seeing as it reeks of it.

    Enough of the arguing, I came here to discuss our military involvement and the reasoning videos such as this are not a surprise to me. You are right, you "can comment on whatever you feel like commenting on", I just don't see what your objective, to discuss the topic at hand or to be off-topic and only discuss my signature.
     
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  10. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #70
    So let me get this straight. I'm a shill because of my post count, and therefore not credible. You on the other hand, are to be treated as credible when your only real topic of converstation is my post count? If you want to debate the issues, I suggest you quit beating around the bush and get to it. By the way, I'd like to see those statistics you have, you know, the ones that say shills tend to lurk in the P&R section of web development forums? Very common theme amongst shills, according to you.
     
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  11. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #71
    After I respond to the above comment, this part of your response back is really ironic....

    Now, if that were true, if you were really interested in discussing the topic at hand, you should follow your own advice. Your pattern seems to be, to make ridiculous, insulting accusations, then tell everyone to get back on topic as soon as you are called on it.

    Remember the 911 thread? You tell Obamanation, "You should be ashamed to call yourself an American, you possess no qualities that this country was founded upon. You're probably one of those fools that believe the Constitution is an outdated piece of paper and should be abolished (which it already has been thank to our brain dead society watching American Idol and government with agendas that can't be reached without violating the constitution)."

    Then, I respond with, "What qualities are you supporting, self loathing? If you lived when this country was founded, would you be on our side then? Probably not. My best guess is that you would be a loyalist wringing his hands and crying about how we deserve whatever we get from the British Empire."

    This was our first interaction, the only insult I made to you, was to call you "self loathing." Then, in your very first post back to me, I'm accused of everything under the sun...

    My observation is that you make insults, then, when you get a response, you tell everyone to stay on topic. Now that this thread is off-topic, you may want to answer...

     
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  12. GReddy4u

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    #72
    If you would have read the conversation you would of seen the qualities I am supporting. Instead you take an entire paragraph and bold a sentence while disregarding the other points. Foreign entanglements is the biggest flaw with obamanation's ideology, he is supporting action that our founders knew was wrong and would be the main cause to our devaluation of freedoms.

    When I first entered these forums, I stated my opinion and was labeled 100% wrong, crazy and un-american, because I stick to the guidelines our country was built upon. Yes, I did call obamanation a degenerate, because he honestly is in my opinion on several issues regarding military involvement, personal liberty, economic liberty and so on. It's quite obvious to myself from everything I've heard come from him.

    As for him not being credible, I never said he was 100% a shill, I said he certainly acts/appears as one. I also never said shills tend to lurk around the P&R section of web development forums. Shills are mainly assigned to political forums to spread one certain way of thinking while denying even proven facts (if it helps their argument). It honestly doesn't matter to me if you or him is a shill, I was simply implying that he comes off as one...just as you imply I'm self-loathing and obamanation implies that nearly everyone on these forums is a moron/idiot/etc... Although I disagree with the majority of what he says (haven't really paid much attention to you or read your posts), I'm not calling him a moron or idiot, simply a degenerate when it comes to the ideology america was based upon. With that being said, adios Rebecca and fellow neocon obamanation!
     
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  13. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #73
    What if you were of the opinion that the earth is flat? Would it be ok to point that out? What if you were to claim the earth was flat and that those perpetuating the idea of a round earth stood in opposition to the beliefs of the founding fathers and the Constitution. What if you claimed those in opposition to the idea of a flat earth were all collectivists? Would it be OK to use the word Moron then?

    Like denying the founding fathers signed treaties with foreign nations? Is this your subtle way of saying you are a shill?

    Just everyone who disagrees with me. The more complete description I like to use is homophobic, jew hating, liberal, fascist, nazi, sexist, degenerate, religiously atheist, moronic, self loathing pig. Of course it could just be my insultingly sarcastic sense of humor, but you never know.

    More labels. /sigh.
     
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  14. GReddy4u

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    #74
    You feel we should be overseas fighting wars and trying to change ideologies of those we and the united nations disagree with. You believe it is making us safer and bringing us more freedom. A clear example of neoconaervative views in regards to the military. So yes, the shoe does fit IMO.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Do you have me quoted with these viewpoints? I doubt it. Let me clarify what I think of foreign engagements, so you don't have to guess or make things up. I think we had every reason to be in Afghanistan, and those reason's certainly have nothing to do with changing the ideologies of those who disagree with the UN. We had every reason to be in Iraq, but Bush Sr. followed bad advice from his senior military staff(Powell), so Bush Jr. put us back in to clean up daddy's mess which was a monumental mistake. We have large numbers of troops in South Korea, STILL, and they serve a very important purpose for the Koreans, and for us. We have a large number of troops in Germany, which to me seems little different than parking them in Virginia.

    I do believe having a Military and using it in support of our Allies makes us safer but that isn't exactly how you phrased it, isn't it. It doesn't take much reading into what you printed to get the impression that anyone who supports the use of the military, supports the use of the military for the purposes of Democratization, which is a basic Neo-Con value. There are acceptable causes and uses you know.
     
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  16. GReddy4u

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    Although I still disagree with your views, as you do mine, I'll respect your thinking. As for Afghanistan, I don't believe we should be fighting over there, as this is exactly want they want us to do. They want us to continue spending over 1 trillion a year in global wars to bankrupt us as a country, which will lead to the destruction of everything our country stood for in the past (already happening). Unlike yourself, I'm not willing to sacrifice my privacy or freedoms for the sake of my "government" protecting me, especially going off into perpetual war (Afghanistan). There will always be haters of freedom and America.. and with the killing of innocents and destruction of countries, it will only increase those numbers. It's a never-ending war, that is making our society more dependent on the government (bringing us more into debt & racking in welfare lovers (which also puts us more into debt)). It also continues to decrease the value of our dollar due to the central banking systems printing valueless money to spend on wars, which will ultimately lead to the failure of our dollar (domestic and global economy since the usd is the global reserve).

    I don't believe we should remove our military as you imply. If we are indeed attacked by terrorists, we should go after those who committed the crimes or who are caught in the act of committed terrorists acts (planning included). Going into a country and simply killing anyone with weapons (as seen in this video), killing innocents, blowing up cities and having a president who lies about bringing the troops home immediately just to get votes for those who disagree with the war (obama), this is what I don't agree with. We should instead back out of the majority of countries, you mentioned 3 but how about the other 140+ countries our military is stationed in? A stronger national defense should be our main focus, instead of having Jets scattered and across the country on days such as 9/11, have better radar technology, guns in the cockpit for pilots, better security on airplanes, more technological advanced systems to intercept missiles, a stronger boarder to keep non citizens from entering and getting on benefits, these types of actions is where we should be looking more. I'd rather (and I'm sure the majority) would rather have a trillion spent on national defense rather than endless wars.
     
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    #77
    I think, that should be opened publicly.
     
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