Violence Against Dems 4 Supporting health care. Right Wing GOP says it is blameless

Lies? Noise? Dude, the link you put up had almost NO data on it. It was an opinion piece that summarized YOUR opinion, so you decided to reprint it. That is what most call noise. Had you honestly wanted a summary view of polls, other than Rasmussen, it would have taken you two seconds.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Notice the most recent poll by CBS news showing only 32% support for the bill. Are you now going to try and spin and tell us CBS is part of some right wing media conspiracy? I know the truth hurts, but living in a state of denial is what the Muslims do. Wake up.

 

Gallop poll taken right after health care legislation signed: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm : 48% for health care legislation; 40% against.

Meanwhile Tom Coburn, a Senator consistently ranked as among the most conservative, one of the major substitive legislators for financial responsibility spoke out strongly and forcibly against some of the craziness he was hearing at a very recent Town Hall Meeting:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001827-503544.html

He did the following:

1. Defended Nancy Pelosi's character. Ahhhhh....how refreshing a Republican who can defend his position and doesn't need to villify the opposition with crazy character assasination
2. Told a woman that her fear that not signing up for insurance would lead to jail. He decidedly informed her and the audience that this had no foundation at all in truth.
3. Told the audience to stop watching Fox News.

A growing number of Republicans and members of the Right are turning against the pure politization of Fox and its effort to raise the anger level on every issue. It might be good for ratings but it has helped provoke the unreasonableness and anger levels to unprecedented levels.

Meanwhile I continue to await for Cantor to speak up. It appears that once some of the anger was directed at him he stopped making accusatory comments. The anger strikes at everyone.

 

LoL. I'm glad to hear you are going to hang your hat on a single poll showing a majority support the healthcare reform with 10% undecided, when every other poll shows an overwhelming majority against. Clearly Washington reads the polls the same way you do which is why you see so many angry people. I'm personally pleased they don't get it. I would have been happier had they figured it out prior to passing the turd, but now that it is done, I think I'd rather have them continue to live in denial till November.

So carry on. Please. Continue explaining to everyone how those opposed to this legislation are a radical racist few with violent tendencies. It pleases me to no end that the people you are "explaining" it to are made up largely of the people being slandered. It would appear the only thing greater than the ineptitude of the Republican party is the arrogance of the Democrats. Thank god.

 

Being a pug has a lower case for the divinity - the guy has jumped ship on that one or is only half an atheist better than nothing at all?

Who cares about the pols - the ordinary people like buffalo will have their moments over the cliff but in the end will recognize the accomplishments of cost containments and corporate accountability of the new healthcare enactments and will follow the due course come November - the God bearing ones anyway....the rest with Abomination are the ones left in the ravine.

 

Can you loan me your crystal ball? I didn't know you were a fortune teller. And the way you phrase it, you could have a career as a priest (or Mullah). Politicians and pundits use polls because they are a much better indicator of where things are at and going than.... Mysticism? I say Kudos to you Breeze wood. Ignore the polls. You don't need them. Just because they show popularity of the legislation dropping off dramatically since its passage means they must be wrong.

Here is something to consider, besides poll numbers. The American public was not at all fooled by the accounting tricks played by congress to get the CBO score the bill got. In other words, people are pretty much aware of the real costs of the bill, including the Democrats who supported it (they just dont care). By the presidents own budget projections, the interest on our debt will be so great that in 20 years we will not be able to pay for basic government services. Moodys is already very seriously considering downgrading our debt rating. These are not opinion polls, which change with people's mood. These are legitimate numbers based on real government spending. If you want to ignore those type of numbers as unimportant, you might as well ignore your house payment(or rent payment in your case).

 

Not to bump this thread, or to debate the value day to day polling data which is mostly meaningless unless it is election day, but I looked at the poll numbers and saw something funny that reminded me of what you said here Earlpearl. Check it out.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Notice that Rasmussen has the president's favorables at 47%, the second highest in the list next to CNN. Fox and CBS(opposite ends of the political spectrum) have him at 43 and 44 respectively. I only bring it up because I hear people throw the quoted accusation above quite commonly. I think people make that accusation because Rasmussen generally has the president's popularity a bit lower than some of the other polls, primarily because Rasmussen screens its polls for likely voters. It is one of the reasons they were closest to actual election results in the last Presidential race. It also keeps their numbers from jumping around as erratically as Gallup.

Today's group of poll results is of special interest because, as I just mentioned, the likely voters are giving the president better marks than the general public. It has been this way for the last couple of days, from all I can tell, for the first time since he has been president. What does it mean? I don't know. My first thought is that it is a sign that overall sentiment in the country about the President and his policies has taken a turn.

 

Not sure what you are getting at. Explain further.

 

Those who vote are a subset of Americans(~50%?). When polled, those who vote have traditionally leaned farther right than the general American public. I've always suspected the reason for that is age (people tend to be more conservative and vote more often as they grow older), but I'm not sure of the exact reason. There is no question that younger people tend to be more liberal and mostly don't vote.

Anyway, the president's numbers are not good amongst either group, but now the non-voters(the more liberal) are actually pulling the President's numbers lower than the voters(more conservative). From an electoral standpoint, the opinion of the non-voters is meaningless because, well, they don't vote. From a media and public opinion standpoint it is not good news for Pres. O. because people move in herds("Me too" syndrome/Asche conformists). I'm not sure what exactly to make of it, but I suspect it means the left is beginning to turn on Obama. In today's news, the SEIU is fielding their own candidate in North Carolina to run against the Democrats who voted no on Health Care. In the 2006 and 2008 elections, the Republicans began to eat their own as well, so I suppose this is not something we haven't seen before. At least the Tea Party folks have been willing to support Republican candidates who are willing to demonstrate their Fiscal Conservative bonafides.

Am I the only one who finds a Labor Union that contracts nearly exclusively to the Federal Government starting its own political party a conflict of interest?

 

And some say actual polling only begins Labour Day week in September......by then who knows whatever there will be left to poll about, after the Summer riots.

 

Rioting is a liberal thing.

 

Excluding the Tea Party? - anyones guess who will be out the door first - the polls are interesting now and have noticed Obama still negative but rising....I'm sure Republicans wish the vote were sooner than later and definitely look strong at this point for both chambers of congress, etc.

 

Here is a guy who went from anonymous angry calls, late at night to a barrage of threatening calls following passage of the health care legislation. http://www.newsweek.com/id/236196 I wonder whose political commentating drove this nutcase over the top.

Appropriately, he was arrested. I wonder how many of these dangerous nutcases have been driven over the top.

 

I don't know, but I agree that the political commentators should be held responsible for inciting hatred. I know I get angry every time I watch Olbermann and Maddow (which I do nightly).

 

The politicians have a way of influencing as well - Hitler w/militia's : Tea Party considering the same, Palin for no choice but her own and those who elect that sort of person doing so knowing full well the consequences. Republican presidents have a history of onesidedness and their constituencies inability to accept change with a willingness to use force as a right.

 

I tend not to listen/watch any political commentators, instead reading from several sources including MSM and Rightist sources. David Frum, former Bush speechwriter, former editoral writer for the WSJ, and who both criticized the GOP congress for not seriously engaging in health care debate (he essentially called their participation a sort of sham negotiations), and following that writing was let go from the American Enterprise Think Tank, has subsequently claimed that the current GOP political movement is being led by the Right Wing commentators....rather than the other way around.

btw: of the occaisional tv/radio commentators I catch...I never watch Olbermann or Maddow and only occaisionally see a voice from the Right.

 

Isn't lashing out at the people who just fired you part and parcel with being fired? Bush was actually rather notorious for filling his administration with leftists, so saying he was a Bush speech writer doesn't necessarily qualify him as a conservative voice. That aside he seems to be a genuine conservative despite the fact he is a Canadian and was a McCain supporter. He has his opinion and he is entitled to it.

Dear god, you are missing the best stuff on television, especially Maddow. Olbermann with his pompous attitude and his suits talking down at his viewers was funny for a while, but it kind of climaxed when Ben Afleck did him on SNL. Maddow delivers the news(Gay/Lesbian and Democrat agenda items), spiting out one glaring misrepresentation(lie) after another in her uniquely judgmental way, while her Chachi haircut and low cut dress suit jacket revealing nothing but a flat chest provide all the uncomfortable sexual ambiguity of transvestite cabaret. Its not just news(propaganda), its entertainment.

I take in various other media sources, including talk radio and print, but none are so entertaining as that, save perhaps Red Eye on Fox, but that is meant to be entertaining. Glenn Beck is the only show I have a hard time watching for any length of time, though it is funny as hell to watch him shake that red telephone at the camera and put his hand to his ear in the shape of a phone and mouth the words, "call me".

 

The Republican and Democrat party are corrupt and paid for. Release yourself from the false left-right paradigm, vote with freedom in mind, not policies.

 

This is all about politics in the USA and people wishing to take opposite viewpoints.

Some say that this is a good way to keep out using just one in government, others say it's a good way for not getting too much done at any time because of gridlock.

All the best … Ron

 

Hah I don't think there has been gridlock for a long, long time, in my parliament or your congress. Any of you Americans watching the "show" over here in England? Our parties are carbon copies of each other...

 

I haven't been following it, but I hear Gordy is in trouble. A very short lived honeymoon from my perception. If I were English, I'd vote him (his party) out just for sucking up to BoBo.