Fake beards? So you are saying these people are so uneducated, they believe strangers who roll into town wearing fake beards and tell them to blow themselves up for Allah and they will go to heaven? If you really believe that, I don't think you understand how brain washing works. The narrative has to be repeated by those you trust and those around you, or it is rejected. The process is something that is well understood. What you are alleging is not only false, it is not possible.
You are Naive Sir You will be telling us next there are no Jihadi Terrorist training camps in Pakistan and especially Kashmir even though we have seen documentaries showing them on TV and for many many years to!
I'm not arguing that people can not be brainwashed. It happens daily. I would dispute the idea of people being brainwashed by total strangers wearing fake beards. You have some evidence of this? [Edit]Are the radical Muslim clerics who advocate violence also shills who really don't believe in Islam? If so, do you have evidence(besides the claim their teachings are in opposition to Islam)? How about all the Muslims on this forum talking about the evil jews. Are they all shills as well?
i just want to ask u all a single question off topic why are u guys against muslims i was just going through this website and i didnt even know that this forum existed as i observed in this forum most of the comments are in the threads related to Islam and only little about other Religions so i just want to say to u alll are u posting here to increase your post count ???? why are u against the Muslims.And u guys open such threads that offend Muslims and when they reply to the threads u say they are saying off topic stuff, Grow Up people stop pointing towards other religions why cant we have peace in here please stop posting racism threads and talk about other stuff in this forum like politics world wide like how did the polish plane crash that stuff
Those who are against muslims are not racists! Rasism is when a white person hates blacks and a black person hates whites. Usually through either fear or lack of knowledge. Muslims come in all colours so racism is a completely different subject.
I don't consider myself against Muslims. You are coming in late to the conversation, so you've missed the many Anti-Israel threads posted by the Muslims of this forum. When I first got here, they seemed to dominate the discussion. The reason for the heavy muslim/non-muslim back and forth I believe is due to the heavy Pakistani and Indian presence here. Good topic. Start it up! Personally, I too would like to hear less about Muslims. Elections in the US are coming up and I'd much rather talk about that. Its just when the Muslims start piping up about the illegitimate state of Israel, it is offensive enough to bring the focus of the conversation back onto the wrongs committed in the name of Islam.
I actually do believe that Osama and other terrorist leaders don't give a crap about Islam, they are just using it as a tool to carry out their personal agendas or are being sponsored by governments. People like laden, Masood etc are quite intelligent otherwise they wouldn't have been able to do whatever it is they are doing. I doubt that such people would actually believe in fairy tales and stupid beliefs, but they can surely use them to get followers.
pardon if I was late just see your post but seems a lot of things happened in this thread! I guess it's different to say something in common with refer to definite person in your sentences. the reporter said she intended to criticize that cleric not she own. I saw many cleric accuse others to be fanatic and illiterate without say who they intended. I guess it's common for western countries too, it bring less controversy and reaction. first of all she need not to wear Berka for this reason. the Koran mention women had to cover their body not their face. Chapter 24: AL-NOOR (THE LIGHT) verse 31 and say to the believing women, that they lower their gaze cast down their eyes and guard their chastity, and do not reveal their adornment except that which is outward (face and hands); and let them draw their veils over their neck, and not reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husbands' fathers, or their sons, or their husbands' sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or what their right hands own, or such male attendants having no sexual desire, or children who have not yet attained knowledge of women's private parts; nor let them stamp their feet, so that their hidden ornament is known. and, o believers turn to allah all together, in order that you prosper. anyway I know a lot of women who Muslim listen to them every day that they haven't any cover. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/middle_east/7376167.stm http://www.yemenpost.net/17/LocalNews/3.htm I don't think they are many of clerics who advocate extremists, most of them are silence in this matter and a few of them criticize extremists, rarely you can find a cleric who support such insane action not because they are against Islamic extremists just because most of them depend on their government. in total Iranian hate extremists and you can't find even one single Iranian who involved in Terrorist activity against western countries. yeah our government sponsor and support extremist in middle east in any rank. I'm not sure he had any faith! he is a big liar and show off guy I think. first of all as maybe you know most of regimen in middle east are fighting against Al-Qada as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and so on and guess they are controlling their clerics in this matter. I meant her word wasn't so severe for extremist and beside regimens on that area would like such words but people of these countries haven't same feeling as their regimens.
yes, i can say that muslim ullma are doing wrong by having fatwas against non-muslims. anyone who says about killing humans is sick. such people have long beard and use un-eduacated and people with less believe for their own purpose. muslims should read quran themselves instead of asking such ullamas and so called scholars. they suck. muslims dont argue or post comments mostly because we are so tired and bored with same discussions. if someone thinks that we are terriorist..okay..who cares...
Me too! Funny that the moderates come from the country with the most radical leaders. Interesting. I hadn't put that together but it makes sense. All is well until you name a specific mullah. It seems it would be difficult to get rid of the extremists if you can never talk about them by name... This may be true in Iran and perhaps not in Saudi Arabia. I only repeated what she said as to why she wore the Berka. Nice pics. So many hot Muslim women, its a shame their faces are rarely seen. For western culture it starts to become a joke as to what deformity they are hiding if they need to cover every square inch of their body. I didn't think so either, until I started reading the posts created by Muslims on this forum. This clown, for instance, is very popular amongst many here. [video=youtube;Bxk5AAA5FbI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk5AAA5FbI[/video] Either way, in my opinion, the moderate Muslim Mullahs should not be silent about these people. They should be loud and outspoken against these people and their ideas, and you would see the quantity of Muslim posts in this forum go WAY down, along with the incidence of Muslim extremist clerics and their students. The perception here is that Ahmadinijad is controlled by the Mullahs, not the other way around. I've heard more than one pundit from western media say that, were Ahmadinijad to be replaced by someone else, nothing would change because the Mullahs hold ultimate power in Iran. Is this incorrect?
yes unfortunately most of clerics in Islamic world are silence about brutality of extremist even when they kill their own people. why?? are they believe Al-Qada are genuine Islam so don't criticize them or just fear of them? guess have to ask this question of 301ouncer in the thread of Holy Mysteries!!! that ready to answer such Questions! http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1759046&page=1 in the other hand some priests also made some comments about terrorist activity that amaze public but maybe they say opinion of a part of society in their region. do you remember what Obama's Pastor said about 9/11? you are somewhat right. Khatami was our former President who came out of people vote but he couldn't establish real freedom in Iran where as our Parliament was with him. anyway he could do something I guess for this reason after him Mullahs haven't allowed people see a real election any more. now Khatami prevented to go outside of Iran, Just two weeks ago he wanted to go to Japan for a conference but our police stop him and got his passport.
Another religious nut stirring up angst to further his own agenda(yes we have them here too). More than a few folks on this forum imply the Jews had what Hitler did coming to them. People are free to draw their own conclusions. Sane people are free to call them idiots. You know you live in a totalitarian state when.... the ex-president is denied right to exit the country without reason. I was just noting the other day how our White House made efforts to shut out a particular media outlet that airs critical coverage. Conversely, another cable network which gives the President very favorable coverage sometimes does its broadcasts from the White House. The person who does the broadcast(Joe Scarborough) is supposedly from the opposition party, but he never speaks out in opposition (For fear of his job) so he makes a wonderful propaganda tool. I bet if you asked Venezuelans if they thought their free democracy could become a dictatorship 9 years ago, they would have laughed at you.
first of all i have to say that what ever osama binladen did he didnt do for islam he did for himself u know why search google documentary about life of osama binladen he started his operations against America because in a was because sm country was attacking Saudi Arabia he said to the ruler of Saudi Arabia at that time that he and his people who fought in Afghanistan against the Russians will fight against them but the ruler at that time didnt approve his request and i think after that he bas banished from Saudi Arabia then thats why he is against the muslims he is not fighting for islam he is just fighting for his integrity so finally he is not a real muslim so dont place him in the area of a real muslim
I agree with you. You have to admit, though, it is amazing how many people his organization has gotten to come aboard in the name of Islamic solidarity. Without Islam, he would have an organization without members.
Ahmadinejad is our President now.he has made a lot of insane speeches so far. don't be serious about him, as you mentioned in your past post he hasn't much power in hands. our Army, police, atomic affairs and foreign policy is under power of supreme leader. who news maybe like Venezuela, Ahmadinejad got more power in future but guess he hasn't much time to do that.
Pardon to tell that MSK but I don't think so. A Muslim is who accept principals of Islam and would go out of Islam just when deny one of these principals. I never heard Bin-laden done that so far. His motto was "wipe domination of non-Muslim in holy land" I think. for this reason he made 9/11 I guess.