What did you say about wikileaks Video?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Vebtools, Apr 6, 2010.

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    Wikileaks has released a classified US military video showing the shooting of over a dozen people in a suburb of Baghdad, including two Reuters news staff.

    Watch the video from here http://wikileaks.org/
     
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    No one really wins a war.
     
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  3. GeorgeB.

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    I think it was a terrible accident.

    What do you think of the 9/11 tapes?

    I think the key difference here is that when radical Islamics kills civilians they do it on purpose for the terror factor. When US troops kill innocent civilians it's either negligent, incompetent, or accidental.
     
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    What a Quote !!!! LOL

    If someone killed a member of my family while brandishing guns on everybody, would i still then be taking it as an accident ? possibly not

    The guys who blew up the twin towers were Brainwashed , fools, loosers but A highly trained morally strong US soldier doing the same thing in another way would be an accident ? Does not sound realistic!
     
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    Helvetii Notable Member

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    It was an accident and I think one of those guys actually had a weapon, and certainly Bush didn't ask the soldiers to kill civilians.
     
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    wmghori Well-Known Member

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    How come it was an accident? Shooting at van which was helping a wounded. They asked for the permission several times to shoot at the van on radio. There were no need to shoot the van, driver wasn't armed. If they were afraid of loosing the prisoner, they were on the apache they can follow them and guide the ground troops to them but instead they fired after asking for permission to fire. What about opposite side shooting at the medics helping US troops, would you still call it an accident?
     
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    Did you watch the full actual video or just a clipping on a news channel? A guy was carrying something which looked like a gun. But I agree armed forces (not just US but all countries) should use better judgement to prevent necessary causalities. You don't seriously think that those soldiers wanted innocent blood on their hands do you? You don't think that they wanted to kill as many civilians they can, do you?
     
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    wmghori Well-Known Member

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    Did I mentioned the first round of firing? I'm talking about shooting at the van and its driver who was trying to help wounded. It got 2 children in it, they were visible in the video. Yes the soldiers want innocent blood on their hand. Who in their right mind shoot at somebody who was just helping wounded or picking up bodies according to them, they can see it clearly in their display and still they shoot at them multiple times. They did not even fire warning shots. They can ask permission to follow them instead they ask to shoot.
     
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  9. Revelations-Decoder

    Revelations-Decoder Well-Known Member

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    Let me think now erm according to you Bin Laden's videos we're fake

    So right back at you - this must be fake if the Bin Laden ones we're fake mustn't it?
     
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  10. Obamanation

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    More propaganda. I love the title of this supposedly journalistic release "Collateral Murder". The editing was even better. Replays and zooms on details that I would never have noticed until the thing was slowed to half time and dramatically zoomed in (like soldiers in a combat zone have that kind of convenience available to them). Omitted was the footage which clearly showed several of these guys carrying AK47s and one with an RPG (AKs not all that out of place, but an RPG certainly is).

    The first time I watched the video I have to admit, it took my breath away. I was thinking we have blood thirsty murderers roaming the skies over Bagdad with the most advanced weaponry money can buy. Then after a few minutes of research, it turns out the person operating Wikileaks acknowledges the presence of all the things they specifically edited out of the video. The full 39 minute video would have been dramatic enough on its own. What need was there to make it into something it wasn't? Then I look at the front page of their site and it becomes very obvious. It is basically littered with links on how to donate to their organization. Pathetic.

    I should thank Wikileaks. They did get me to donate...... To the Wounded Warrior Project. I hope anyone else out there who hates being manipulated by this kind of bullsh*t does the same.

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201929.php

    By the way, you can see a longer version of the video here, but it still has 20 of the most important minutes edited out of it. I guess that would have ruined the dramatic effect.
     
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  11. GeorgeB.

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    #11
    Here, let me make it clearer for you.

    • I'll go get videos of radical Islamics claiming credit for killing innocent people and that they did it on purpose.
    • You got get me video of American troops killing innocent people then proudly proclaiming they did it on purpose.

    We'll meet back here. Deal?
     
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    How about
    http://www.duvet-dayz.com/assets/post_img/w20080804/HiroshimaBombing.JPG
    that's so cute..... Millions die and the greatest action of terrorizing people is not accounted as terrorism at all :)

    That was just a brain teaser. I don't wanna show anybody as low. Everybody is equal here on earth except unless one has millions of dollars in their accounts, shots , underwear's .. anything !
    Everyday more people on earth die due to hunger , and diseases which in developed countries are considered nothing very serious.
    If I was to get down and compare one kill against another, I would then be a person who must have lost humanity. Whatever brings in Pain and suffering is bad whether it originates from A Muslim or A US Soldier.
     
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    This really is nothing new, and it usually happens to both sides in a war; it is definitely NOT a one-sided thing. It happens out of neglect, ignorance or sometimes it is just a honest mistake. This really cannot be avoided in a war, no war is ever "clean" and righteous, no matter what people would like for you to believe. No one really wins in a war, and it doesn't matter who starts it.
     
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    Isn't killing people the whole idea of war?
     
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    well the US mercenary army does kill more civilians than all terrorist organizations in the world combined AND THEN SOME so i lean towards believing that its no accident LOL

    100.000s of armed mercenaries on other peoples land is no accident ...they are not there to spread flowers and good will LOL ...no in fact they are there to kill and opress (what guns and arimes are for eh?)

    an accident is when you spill milk...murder is when you ship 100.000-s of armed mercenaries to somebody elses land and impoverish the region back to the stone age and kill even more people indirectly than directly by ways of bullets and bombs

    accident LOL...you are as brain washed as the muslim extremists you are sooooo quick to condemn...
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Interesting LOL. You don't LOL have by chance any evidence LOL to back up any of your claims LOL do you ? LOL

    Did I mention... LOL?
     
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    The people on the ground surly could hear the helicopters approach, why did they not signal, seek cover or begin firing - a small microcosm illustrating the perils of war, lacking in the reasoning for being there in the first place. Building and making peace for some does not win elections....all hale Bush.
     
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    how about iraqbodycount.org? and thats JUST in iraq...im well aware of the famous "US handwash" LOL clears all blood no matter how thick...
     
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    Your random link about civilian deaths in Iraq does not take even take a step in the direction of backing your claim the "US mercenary army does kill more civilians than all terrorist organizations in the world combined AND THEN SOME". Try again. Your statements might amuse you as funny (LOL), but they are grossly inaccurate and irresponsible. Grab a clue.
     
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