Violence Against Dems 4 Supporting health care. Right Wing GOP says it is blameless

So I got a question. How does one know the bullets that went through the window at Cantor's office were not aimed? I mean I've had various offices in various locations throughout my life, and I've never had a "stray" bullet go through my office window, or even a window in my building. How exactly does one determine that the bullet was "stray". You make it sound like people are just shooting guns at random in the streets and somehow accidentally put a bullet through his window.

 

O__Nation: That is exactly how the local police described. I'm citing them. Didn't make it up. They definitely did not describe it as "aimed" as you referenced. In fact that description was then grabbed on by the liberal anti-gun side and referenced....Imagine that....someone carrying a gun and doing random shooting in the air....had a bullet go through the window of a GOP Congressman.

But seriously, I cited the source, didn't elaborate at all. Your guess as to exactly how it occurred is as good as mine. Meanwhile, there is a significant difference between that description....and aimed. My description is what the police reported.....your comment is an effort to paint something different than what occurred.

 

Fair enough. So long as you, being of sound mind, can acknowledge that there are not people wandering the streets of any city in America randomly shooting off firearms, into the air, or otherwise. I think intelligent people should be able to make the interpretation without having to call it "right wing" spin.

 

LOL. I can see how a guy with your political orientation would be worried about people wandering the streets with firearms and randomly shooting them off. Most of them are strongly for gun control. Does that mean you are firmly in the gun control camp? Sounds like it to me.

 

If you think I really believe the bullet through Cantor's window was a "Stray", then yes, you can also put me in the Gun control camp. Its obviously BS. I'm willing to allow for the idea that it was someone politically connected, so they didn't get in trouble, or perhaps they never found out who did it, but I'm not a big believer in stray bullets flying about our cities.

As an aside, we have plenty of existing laws on the books to punish people for discharging a firearm in public. I fully support those laws. It would be interesting to track down the culpable person in this case. How much you care to bet he/she does not lean right.

 

If somebody purposefully aimed at Cantor's window I'd condemn them. The difference is...that there was a police investigation. The cops determined that the bullet was a stray; that it was fired into the air, and that it landed by crashing through the window in Cantor's office. That is the official report. BTW: I assume they can analyze the trajectory...and probably did so to arrive at that analysis.

 

Like one of the many stray dogs. Here Lassie!!

 

All republicans should be shot or thrown into jail!! It is obviously a conspiracy to take over the USA by force!

 

Force, when they can't stop innovation, is their only answer to submission than accepting defeat. - - Grow up boys.

 

That man should have been arrested for inciting violence against the government. Take away his guns for gods sakes.

This should give you some insight into how much the American people like having their representatives vote in legislation against their will.

 

There is nothing personal about healthcare, it is a business - what the Democrats have accomplished is for the American people to run the show not the corporations.

The quote by Jefferson is not a call for a political party to begin killing people with their fire arms for legislation they disagree with. The innuendo by Republicans that gov't is the problem just circumvents the issue that the legally adopted legislation is the law and instituted by force if necessary as being the proper role of government and is the law whether pugs like it or not - grow up.

There was a report just after the past election that trained military personnel would form militias for armed resistance to changes they disagreed with - Who is more responsible for this militarism / condition than Republicans....their insurance policy for November?

 

Of course not, but lets be honest. It doesn't take a genius to look at the poll numbers and realized this legislation was passed against the will of the people. That is what we call tyranny of the federal government, which is why more than 20% of the states in the Union are filing suit.

Weren't we just talking about oppression of the government? What, you are going to send the majority of the population to jail for not complying with your new legislation obtained by legislative slight of hand? I want to thank you for the quote, because I will be using it as an example of the arrogance of the ruling party on a few other forums I frequent. Of course, when I repeat it, I will claim it as my own in my most liberal persona. Something like, "You Republicans are a vile bunch of conspirators working for the overthrow of the government. We will enforce this new health care law by any measure of force necessary and you will comply."

Funny stuff. The militia group arrested in Michigan plays nicely into that narrative. I recommend you use that mantra as a campaign slogan for 2010 and 2012. See you at the polls.

 

It's all just a show for attention. Republicans and Democrats fight because normal politics are too boring. Face it we live in America (well many of us).

I'm guessing the health care system was for the bill since they tend to run things such as the banks do. The banks are part of the federal government whether people believe it or not. They may not have congress as a name, but they have enough money to elect officials by supporting them with enough cash.

It's not surprising that people might die over this. Whether it be upset Americans or Businesses that want you dead. It can and will happen sometimes. If someone sees you as a threat to their money sometimes greed can play a major role.

 

Typical GOP BS. After a year of unmitigated attacks on the legislation, the Dems, exaggeration, provocations of extreme anger....the Dems rebounded and passed the legislation. Immediately afterwards Polls showed a majority (slim but a majority) favored the legislation. OTOH, the GOP and right wing extremists highlight extremely loud, angry provocateurs who keep spinning outrageous attacks and lies.

They provoke the crazy class. hence the violence. Of course statements such as those of O__nation refuse to take responsibility for this provocation of anger.

Of course, GOP Congressman Eric Cantor pulled the dumb stunt of hyping the provocation and anger. After 10 Dem legislators received threats, including threats on their lives, Cantor loudly blamed those that were threatened. The anger and craziness is rising and he only further inflamed it.

Subsequently a nutcase, who had previously threatened a bunch of pols, (both Dems and GOP) threatened Cantor in a more vicious and serious way.

Cantor has since shut his mouth. The threats are coming too close to home in his case. Once the anger is unleashed its brutally hard to control and everyone is a target including the GOP loudmouths who have been provoking it in the first place.

We've seen threatening letters to what were 30 or all 50 governors. We see crazed militias. To date I've seen one Republican take the high road, John Boehner, stating that these threats are unacceptable, and I've seen others continue to fan the flames of anger.

The GOP is showing itself to be an ever narrower group of extremists whose only focus appears to be gaining power and damn the consequences.

 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

I didn't see you cite your source, so I provided a few facts to counter your fiction. You'll notice the American people were in opposition to this health care tax bill pretty much from the beginning, with it's current support lower than ever. Like I said earlier, I welcome your narrative. The more the stories continue that fly in the face of reality, the more sound the thumping will be in Nov.. I especially love the attempt to marginalize anyone who opposed/opposes the bill as some kind of violent extremist. As I also mentioned earlier, Rachel Maddow is providing you your talking points.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36135258 /


It is pure gold! Over 60% of the people oppose the legisilation that just passed. Most of that 60% bitterly opposes the legislation. The Democratic solution? Call them terrorists! I LOVE IT!!!!! See you at the polls.

 

This "healthcare" (in quotes because it is an oxymoron already) bill has already benefited the corporations that the supporters were saying don't want it...... could this be that the ads were just lies again, like so many lies I have seen in political ads? (the answer is Yes if you can't figure that out.) Now all those evil insurance companies are forced to take on huge numbers of new clients..... wow that sounds like a business to be in, one that is forced by the government to take on more business.

Isn't that what they call a strawman?

Nice way of thinking. The problem is there are too many politicians in power who think like you do. Totally opposite from what the founding fathers had in mind.

You are either blind or confused or both. I would have to say both from the evidence of all your crazy posts. However, I will say this was the most understandable post you have written.

 

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_14788028

Several companies including AT&T and Caterpiller, complying with SEC regulations have declared around 2 billion dollars in charges due to tax benefits removed by the new health care bill. Without skipping a beat, California Democrat Henry Waxman called for an investigation into the companies asking them to justify the charges the new law obligated them to take. It like trying to dance to the tune of a madman. Had they not declared the charges, they would have been breaking SEC compliance laws. Declaring the charges earns them the wrath of the federal government. It is striking how anyone can be declared an enemy of the state.

 

The greater the publicity the more will be understood by the ordinary citizenry - exactly what is hoped for by liberal politicians, Pelosi in particular. Whatever the disparities are that arise will be an agenda for reform and the satisfaction received by the public will translate ever positively for the legislations approval, the cover is blown - The pugs have lost the battle in passage and are now clay pidgins for their own demise come November.

Yes, we have been there already and is our turn to be the targets but a new era of liberalism stands at the doorstep that will prevail as God is our beacon. To bad to be a pug.

 

LoL. Yes the idiot citizenry will fall pray to liberal misinformation! It will all translate into a great liberal victory! The common American Idiot hasn't the first clue what is going on, so they will believe whatever story we can make stick! I'm glad to see you despise the American people as much as the rest of your party.

 

O__Nation: Gallop poll taken right after health care passed showed a majority supporting health care legislation. This link speaks to the moving issue of all polls: http://politifi.com/news/Rounding-up-the-postpassage-healthcare-reform-polls-338515.html That is a summary of many polls, not just Rasmussen which appears to be the Fox News of polling. Polling is a moving target.

Its critical for the Dems to go on the attack to simply nullify the cacophony of noise, lies, fear mongering, and anger creating drumbeat from the Far Right.