What if Muhammad ibn ‘Abdullāh was never born?

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What if Muhammad ibn ‘Abdullāh was never born?

  1. World would have been way better off!

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  2. I can't Imagine a world without Muhammad, he was such a paragon of integrity!!

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  1. #1
    Would the world have been a better place? Or would it be far worse? Share your opinion and don't forget to vote on the poll, I'll not vote right now or offer my opinion to just to make the poll unbiased. :)
     
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  2. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    If he hadn't lived, someone else would have filled in his position and people would have followed him instead on pretty much the same ideology IMO. He had his own spin on things, but to a large degree he also went with the flow and wrote what appealed to the mindset of the people.

    so my vote goes for no change.

    Added: But since that is no option, my vote goes for better off.
     
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  3. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Very true Blogmaster. I like to think the world has changed and that such a man could never get a following in the modern world, but I am constantly reminded that is not true. Perhaps what has changed is that he could never get quite the same sized following, but there will always be those who will buy into what the latest snake oil salesman is selling.
     
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  4. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    I think we would have been way better off. All the current Muslims would have been either jew,christian or hindu at peace with each other. There would be no Gaza war, no Partition of India, no Iraq war or Afghan war. Osama would probably be a peace loving politician in Afghanistan after sending the communists back.
     
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  5. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    In Praise of Muhammad, the Mercy to All the Worlds:

    “The Messenger of God was imposing and majestic. His face was luminous like a full moon. He was taller than medium but not excessive in height. He had wavy hair, which he parted and it never went beyond his shoulders. He was light-skinned with a high brow. He had full eyebrows and a small space between them. He had a fine, aquiline nose. His beard was full, his eyes black. His physique was supple and lithe, with a full chest and broad shoulders. When he walked, he was determined and his pace was as if he was walking down hill.

    When he spoke he was always brief and reflective. He spoke when he saw benefit and spent long periods in silent contemplation. His speech was comprehensive being neither wordy nor laconic. He had a mild temperament and was never harsh nor cruel, coarse nor rude. He expressed gratitude for everything given to him no matter how insignificant. When he spoke, his companions lowered their heads as if birds were perched upon them. When he was silent, they felt free to speak. He never criticized food or praised it excessively. He never swore, nor did he find fault in people. He did not flatter people but praised them when appropriate.

    People entered his gatherings as seekers and left enlightened. He would ask about his companions when they were absent often making inquiries about people’s needs. He never stood nor sat without mentioning the name of God. He never reserved a special place for himself in a gathering and sat where space provided. He gave each of those who sat with him such full attention that everyone felt that he was the most important person in that gathering. Voices were never raised in his presence. The aged were respected for their age and the young were shown compassion for their youth.”

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    I feel so incredibly grateful and blessed to have come to know him and to learn from him. A day of my life has not gone by that I haven’t felt indebted to him for the wisdom he has given me in making sense of my life and my world.

    Every day my love for Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, increases. Like the vast majority of my fellow believers across the world and through times he is, indeed, the Beloved — the Praised One. To the solace of his name, simply saying Muhammad, has an incredibly soothing effect on me.
     
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  6. samser_m

    samser_m Well-Known Member

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    I would like to say
     
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  7. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    What Wisdom? What did you learn from him? Can you or any other Muslim give examples?
     
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    bfebrian Peon

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    #8
    one should read the history

    or you can play dumb.
     
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  9. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #9
    Every sect has contributed something to the planet. Can you just list some of Muhammad's wisdom and something that you learned from his teachings, in short bullet points over here, so we don't have to cut through crap?
     
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    bfebrian Peon

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    do you know how to use google?
    if not, i will be happy to teach you.
     
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  11. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #11
    You use google, summarize the crap and post it here. When we bash Islam you people don't like it, when we politely ask you the merits of Islam you avoid it/insult us!

    I repeat my Question: Can you just list some of Muhammad's wisdom and something that you learned from his teachings, in short bullet points over here?

    Don't give me links or videos. Post it here in concise form.
     
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    bfebrian Peon

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    and I tell you again, use google.
    but, if you tooooooooooooo lazy, i give you one.... the rest search for you self.

    than again, i'm just wasting my time here.
     
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    samser_m Well-Known Member

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    Ok, I am providing from National Geographic, Legacy of a Prophet

    Check all parts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To144NUvmzI

    I hope it will help someone who want to really know about Muhammad (s.w.s).
     
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    #14
    non muslims always ready to learn about Islam and his poeples

    may be this video help

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yuc7EqS_Rk
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    I hate to break Godwins Law (again), but Hitler taught us how to mobilize a depressed economy. Like Mohammad, he has a few followers around still.
     
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    safa786 Active Member

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    #16
    If there is no influance of prophet muhammed (sallallahu alaihi vasallam) among people ,why there araises thread like this?Why there is always debate on him?every person have the right to believe their religion.Why do you bother about my prophet (sas) ? I can't imagine a world without him.Please respect other religions.
     
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  17. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #17
    No one ever said that there's no influence of muhammed, actually its a lot and we are discussing a scenario where it wasn't so.
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    In favor of the atheists and tree huggers - mohumuds creation of islam has kept population down.

    In opposition to the atheists and tree huggers - islams mohumud has taught to have so many kids it has kept the population up.

    I guess it is a draw - islam kills about as many people as they create by the massive offspring levels of impregnating their own daughters, etc...
     
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    #19
    you said partition of India due to muhammed (sas) that is a very good joke i ever heard .
     
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    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #20
    I never said that. I said that if Mmd wasn't born then there would be no muslims, if there were no muslims then there would have been no partition on India and no killings of millions.

    Do say its untrue?
     
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