If we come to investigate, do we have to chop heads and hate Christians and Jews? Or can we omit following those scriptures? I like bacon and shrimp. Sometimes I do a dual sin and wrap my shrimp in bacon with a sliver of jalapeno pepper and some cheese and cook it on the grill. I like Israel. I think they've been given a raw deal in the middle east. While the quran teaches hatred of Jews, muslims often cite islam is "peaceful and tolerant." Can I be tolerant of Jews and root for Israel if I become a muslim? Or by proxy, do I have to hate Israel and all Jews? Can I continue to condemn palestinians for as murderous terrorists, or do I have to overlook that and champion them as victims? I'm a tolerant person. If I join islam, could we setup a Baptist church in Mecca? I mean, don't you think people would take us more seriously if we really were tolerant? Think about it, we setup a big ol' Southern Baptist Church right in the heart of mecca, so when our brothers who are still married to infidels come to the haj, their infidel wives have a place to go and worship. Now that's tolerance! If I become a muslim, do I have to marry six year girls like mohammed did? I mean, I like a good honey and all, but I'd prefer the Bee gives up the honey first, before going after her. Also, how many honeys can I marry? They'd have to be at least 18 though, that whole nine year old thing just grosses me out. How many honeys do I get in paradise? I've read 72, but one of the London bombers last year claimed he was offered 80. Can I get a deal like that too? I mean, is 72 the norm, and you can cut a deal to kill some infidels to get a few extra? Also, do they have to be so young, like mohammed's? Virgins are cool and all, but I'd prefer mine with breasts and grass on the field, if you know what I mean
This is one of those threads when your supposed to feel like the muslims are the same as us,but it dosnt work as moq shows derogtory words to christians.
"My christian sister who converted to islam told that it is written in bible that a person who will commit sins all his life and just before death if he tells Jesus is my saviour he will go to paradise while as a person who has done all good his life didnt make Jesus his saviour before the last moment will go to hell.Dont you think it is absurd." For those who are honest with themselves it's an amazing message of salvation. It's why I am a Christian.
muslim, first off when you write: "Bible has been changed many times for ages by popes for their own selfish interests as they want to live the way they pleased." you demonstrate a remarkable lack of knowledge on the subject you are trying to "teach" about. But FYI... the Catholic Bible comes primarily from the Textus Vaticanus and is different from the Prostestant Version as found in the KJV which comes form the Textus Receptus. They are two different Bibles. Which is not to say two completely different books, but the different faiths use these different versions. Just as Catholics and the Pope do not rule Christianity nor does the Textus Vaticanus rule as the one authoritized. Please give me one instance in which the Textaus Receptus, or the King James Bible has EVER changed. Then explain to me what the Pope has to do whith Baptists, Protestants, and, in fact, any other denomination which is not Catholic. Muslims like to claim that since the Bible was written by MANY people it is tarnished. But this is precisely why the Bible is so true. Because there is One Holy Spirit behind the writing of many men inspired thereof, with one consistent theme over the centuries. The Koran on the other hand was written by ONE MAN, a murderer, a child rapist, a warrior, and came from ONE MAN'S vision of supremacy. ONE MAN - a child rapist. ONE MAN - a false prophet. ONE MAN - a slaughterer of villages. ONE MAN - one stinking little man. A test throughout time immemorial has always been validation of a thing by more than one person. Mohammaed was full of shit and so is this subsequent religion which came from the mind of ONE MAN. The Holy Bible predicts such false prophets and does so through the work of the Holy Spirit with MANY MEN. Isaiah, Ezekiel, the Gospels. Paul. Etc.. IN Christ
Can you bring any proof of that, that the Biblie is 70% fake and is crap? Like the Quran the Bible is on the internet too. Show us please all the changes made in the Bible. I can proof Jesus is a Holly-Divine person. Can you do the same with Muhammad. I suspect that after my post you or any other muslim won't post any comments. Here is a very small portion of the deeds of a Divine magnitute, that very few were or are able to match. You are welcome to show similar deeds done by Muhammad (may he rest in peace, or pub as they say it.) ...Matthew 8 The Man With Leprosy 1When he came down from the mountainside, large crowds followed him. 2A man with leprosy[a] came and knelt before him and said, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean." 3Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately he was cured of his leprosy. 4Then Jesus said to him, "See that you don't tell anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." The Faith of the Centurion 5When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6"Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering." 7Jesus said to him, "I will go and heal him." 8The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it." 10When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour. Jesus Heals Many 14When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever. 15He touched her hand and the fever left her, and she got up and began to wait on him. 16When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. 17This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases."[c] The Cost of Following Jesus 18When Jesus saw the crowd around him, he gave orders to cross to the other side of the lake. 19Then a teacher of the law came to him and said, "Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go." 20Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head." 21Another disciple said to him, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father." 22But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead." Jesus Calms the Storm 23Then he got into the boat and his disciples followed him. 24Without warning, a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. 25The disciples went and woke him, saying, "Lord, save us! We're going to drown!" 26He replied, "You of little faith, why are you so afraid?" Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm. 27The men were amazed and asked, "What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!" Did Muhammad do anything close to this? A Tree and Its Fruit 15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' The Wise and Foolish Builders 24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash." 28When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law. sunlove Bring me please any Divine Ideas that can match or are better than these. Love each other. Love your neighbor like yourself. Love your enemies. If you want us to believe in the Quran you have to at least match what we have from Jesus. We want pure gold not gold plated stuff.
Dead corn let me tell you that you are a big pervert who does not know how to respect other religions. you inmate of hell how dare you tell that about our beloved prophet. You are a brain dead person who is no less than a illiterate person. you are a pig, an asshole and you doesnt know yourself how many fathers you have. You only know how to critisize about our religion without any knowledge about our religion.We have great respect for our prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and we muslims cant bear any thing against him.We love him more than our lives so you have no right to hurt us.So have respect for every religion like we have. Regarding how present day bible is not the bible of Jesus(PBUH) and is changed. I will give you lot of proofs to justify my statement. Mr. SunLove I will post about our beloved Prophet(PBUH) and tell you about his greatness and why we muslims love our prophet Muhammad(PBUH) so much.
muslim writes: "let me tell you that you are a big pervert who does not know how to respect other religions." Answer, and mind you, from the mouth of one named "muslim" ie: yourself. Subtitle: a muslim demonstrates his respect for other religions. 1. "Bible has been changed many times for ages by popes for their own selfish interests as they want to live the way they pleased" 2. The current bible is 70% fake and is crap. 3. you... follow it without actually knowing what thrash is written in it. Next: A Christian asks a muslim... what is Grace? A muslim demonstration that he has absolutely no concept of God's Grace: "My christian sister who converted to islam told that it is written in bible that a person who will commit sins all his life and just before death if he tells Jesus is my saviour he will go to paradise while as a person who has done all good his life didnt make Jesus his saviour before the last moment will go to hell.Dont you think it is absurd." Answer: No, it is not absurd, it is divine. Like the parable of the workers in the vineyard, all of whom receive the same compensation at the end of the day whether they had been in the field all day or for an hour (in fact, to make His divine point, Jesus tells us the last to the field, those who worked the least, are paid first. Why? Because, as He told us many times, to be first in heaven you must be last, and a servant to all). They all get paid the same because the penny they receive represents salvation, and, therefore, eternal life in Heaven, and it is undeserved by any, even by muslims who blow up school buses filled with innocent jewish children. This is about Grace, the undeserving gift. Something completely foriegn to the spectacle of Islam. The religion of 'works.' Muslim writes: "Regarding Jesus(PBUH),It is written a lot about him in our holy Quran and we accept him as a messanger of Allah.There are no two Jesus but Jesus in Bible and Quran are same." You know, this is beginning to be an exercise in futility, because going over the same thing time and time again with absolutely no understanding on the other part only demonstrates the other parts rock-like adamatine intractability and unwillingness or inabilty to learn, grow, and carry on an intelligent conversation. But in the hopes of a breakthrough I will go through this once again. Jesus is God. The Jesus in the Koran is a fictional account of a book (the Bible) which they (muslims) clearly did not, and, by your own example today, could not possibly hope to understand. Why? Because muslims have ears to hear but cannot, and eyes to see and do not. And now a gem of respect for other religions from the utter moron calling himself "muslim" (as if no one would anticipate this connection by his stubborn ignorance alone): Ready??? "What are christians doing ..having sex with with their mothers..." Muslim you are a pathetic ignorant fool. Close to an animal. And because you are so stupid you demonstrate how easy it is for a false and bloody man like Mohammed with his evil utterances which became your koran to inspire the worst that mankind has to offer. You continue: "...getting fucked by lots and lots of men"... As for your veiled threat to me. You do not scare me (you cannot scare me with Heaven, where I am going, and, mind you, I don't even have to kill anyone to get there). And if you think you do, think of how many muslims blew themselves up today killing women and children in Iraq. Then think of how many Americans have died fighting for MUSLIMS in Iraq!!! You are not one ounce braver or more willing to die for what you believe than we are. You are just dumber, and in love with a false and bloody idol - mohammed. Allatabaloney if you ask me. Now here's some advice for you. Leave us alone... or we will destroy you, meaning, YOU will therefore destroy yourselves. All we ask is that you leave us alone. IN Christ
Again!? Where do you get this stuff anyways? I am assuming that since someone in america does these things, that it is a "Christian" thing in your mind? NOT all americans are Christians, if they were those things would not be here... get it? probably not... sad isn't it...
Dead man When you dont know anything about Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) , you should keep you bloody filthy mouth shut.You are simply farting from your mouth.I am not posting here to fight with anyone but you have no right to tell such words about our Prophet.If you want to say something bad say to me but dont comment anything about our prophet Muhammad(PBUH). You dont know anything about Prophet Muhammad so leave our prophet Mohammad(PBUH) alone.
Praise Mohammed(meh). May spit be upon him. And may he rest in pig urine. May the pages of the Koran decay and may it's words return to the devil never to be spoken again. "but you have no right to tell such words about our Prophet" Thank you for putting so eliquently why your religion is false. We have every right to speak badly about your "prophet." You speak horrible things about our Jesus Christ and our Bible. Even in the Bible people spoke badly of Christ. Did Christ order Jihad? Did Christ ever whine and tell people to stop mocking him? No. You know why? Because Jesus was God. Not some pussy. When his deciples pulled out their swords to keep him from being taken away what did Jesus say? "Put your swords away. If I wanted help, I'd call my Angles." to paraphrase. When people speak badly of our religion we don't pull out our swords and take it into our own hands to defend our God. If God wanted you dead, he'd take care of you himself. In the mean time, all we are to do is tell you what the truth is. And if you don't want to listen then that's not our issue.
Most of the bible of today is fake! but that does not mean that the muslims do not believe in The Holy Bible..they do but not of the present times! here is the reason why: THE MULTIPLE BIBLE VERSIONS The "gospel" is a frequently-used word, but what Gospel did Jesus preach? Of the 27 books of the New Testament, only a small fraction can be accepted as the words of Jesus. The Christians boast about the Gospels according to St. Matthew, according to St. Mark, according to St. Luke and according to St. John, but there is not a single Gospel "according" to (St.) Jesus himself! We sincerely believe that everything Christ (May the peace and blessings of God be upon him) preached was from God. That was the Injeel, the good news and the guidance of God for the Children of Israel. In his life-time Jesus never wrote a single word, nor did he instruct anyone to do so. What passes off as the "GOSPELS" today are the works of anonymous hands! For reasons best known to themselves, the Catholic Truth Society have published their Version of the Bible in a very short, stumpy form The Roman Catholic Bible was published at Rheims in 1582, from Jerome's Latin Vulgate and reproduced at Douay in 1609. As such the RCV (Roman Catholic Version) is the oldest Version that one can still buy today. Despite its antiquity, the whole of the Protestant world, including the "cults"* condemn the RCV because it contains seven extra "books" which they contemptuously refer to as the "apocrypha" i.e. of DOUBTFUL AUTHORITY. Notwithstanding the dire warning contained in the Apocalypse, which is the last book in the RCV (renamed as "Revelation" by the Protestants), it is "revealed": ". . . If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall add unto him the plagues written in this Book." (Revelation 22:18-19) But who cares! They do not really believe! The Protestants have bravely expunged seven whole books from their Book of God! The outcasts are: The Book of Judith The Book of Tobias The Book of Baruch The Buck of Esther, etc. * This disparaging title is given by the orthodox to Jehovah's Witnesses, the Seventh Day Adventists and a thousand other sects and denominations with whom they do not see eye to eye. THE PROTESTANT BIBLE Sir Winston Churchill has some pertinent things to say about the Authorised Version (AV) of the Protestant Bible, which is also widely known as the "King James Version (KJV)". "THE AUTHORISED VERSION OF THE BIBLE WAS PUBLISHED IN 1611 BY THE WILL AND COMMAND OF HIS MAJESTY KING JAMES THE 1ST WHOSE NAME IT BEARS TILL TODAY." The Roman Catholics, believing as they do that the Protestants have mutilated the Book of God, are yet aiding and abetting the Protestant "crime" by forcing their native converts to purchase the Authorised Version (AV) of the Bible, which is the only Bible available in some 1500 languages of the lesser developed nations of the world. The Roman Catholics milk their cows, but the feeding is left to the Protestants! The overwhelming majority of Christians — both Catholics and Protestant — use the Authorised (AV) or the King James Version (KJV) as it is alternatively GLOWING TRIBUTES First published, as Sir Winston says, in 1611, and then revised in 1881 (RV), and now re-revised and brought up to date as the Revised Standard Version (RSV) 1952, and now again re-re-revised in 1971 (still RSV for short). Let us see what opinion Christendom has of this most revised Bible, the RSV:- 1. "THE FINEST VERSION WHICH HAS BEEN PRODUCED IN THE PRESENT CENTURY." — (Church of England Newspaper) 2. "A COMPLETELY FRESH TRANSLATION BY SCHOLARS OF THE HIGHEST EMINENCE." — (Times literary Supplement) 3. "THE WELL-LOVED CHARACTERISTICS OF THE AUTHORISED VERSION COMBINED WITH A NEW ACCURACY OF TRANSLATION." — (Life and Work) 4. "THE MOST ACCURATE AND CLOSE RENDERING OF THE ORIGINAL" — (The Times) The publishers (Collins) themselves, in their notes on the Bible at the end of their production, say on page 10: "THIS BIBLE (RSV), IS THE PRODUCT OF THIRTY-TWO SCHOLARS, ASSISTED BY AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE REPRESENTING FIFTY CO-OPERATING DENOMINATIONS." Why all this boasting? To make the gullible public buy their product? All these testimonies convince the purchaser that he is backing the right horse, with the purchaser little suspecting that he is being taken for a ride. "THE WORLD'S BEST SELLER" But what about the Authorised Version of the Bible (AV), the "World's Best Seller?" These Revisers, all good salesmen, have some very pretty things to say about it. However, their page iii, paragraph six of the PREFACE of the RSV reads; "THE KING JAMES VERSION (alternative description of AV) HAS WITH GOOD REASON BEEN TERMED 'THE NOBLEST MONUMENT OF ENGLISH PROSE.’ ITS REVISERS IN 1881 EXPRESSED ADMIRATION FOR 'ITS SIMPLICITY, ITS DIGNITY, ITS POWER, ITS HAPPY TURNS OF EXPRESSION ... THE MUSIC OF ITS CADENCES, AND THE FELICITIES OF ITS RHYTHM.’ IT ENTERED, AS NO OTHER BOOK HAS, INTO THE MAKING OF THE PERSONAL CHARACTER AND THE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS OF THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING PEOPLES. WE OWE TO IT AN INCALCULABLE DEBT." Can you, dear reader, imagine a more magnificent tribute being paid to the "Book of Books" than the above? I, for one, cannot. Let the believing Christian, now steel himself for the un-kindest blow of all from his own beloved Lawyers of Religion; for in the very same breath they say: "YET THE KING JAMES VERSION HAS GRAVE DEFECTS." And, "THAT THESE DEFECTS ARE SO MANY AND SO SERIOUS AS TO CALL FOR REVISION . . ." This is straight from the horse's mouth, i.e. the orthodox Christian scholars of "the highest eminence." Another galaxy of Doctors of Divinity are now required to produce an encyclopedia explaining the cause of those GRAVE AND SERIOUS DEFECTS in their Holy Writ and their reasons for eliminating them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE... Versions.....of what some christians believe the word of God.....Word of God written by priests, popes and societies, religious school of thoughts.....! AMAZING ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Muslims have only one version of The Holy Quran! the true word of God, No human intervention! Allah is most gracious, most merciful and the Holy Quran is the guiding light!
The Prophet of Islam Jesus(PBUM) never taught to use abusive language against anyone... so please brother christians dont do it either! Come back to the original religion Islam!
I almost laughed at this because it shows how absolutely clueless you are about the bible. Or an understanding about the word "gospel" etc... Gospel - good news versions - different translations into the english language, sometimes vary due to the change of the meaning of a word in english or findings of the meaning of the original word. NOT changing anything.... Your understanding of Christianity vs. cults, religions, etc... is nill. Mormans are like muslims in that they don't believe the bible, but their own prophet over the bible. Which in both cases their prophet has gone against the words of God. JW's, kkk, christian identity and other religious cults only use the bible as a piece of their foundation but all state that they only believe the Bible in their own way and discount the rest. How about you? Do you discount all the stuff about killing the jews from the coran?
The Protestants have bravely expunged seven whole books from their Book of God! The outcasts are: The Book of Judith The Book of Tobias The Book of Baruch The Buck of Esther, etc. The Roman Catholic Bible was published at Rheims in 1582, from Jerome's Latin Vulgate and reproduced at Douay in 1609. As such the RCV (Roman Catholic Version) is the oldest Version that one can still buy today. Despite its antiquity, the whole of the Protestant world, including the "cults"* condemn the RCV because it contains seven extra "books" which they contemptuously refer to as the "apocrypha" i.e. of DOUBTFUL AUTHORITY. Let the believing Christian, now steel himself for the un-kindest blow of all from his own beloved Lawyers of Religion; for in the very same breath they say: "YET THE KING JAMES VERSION HAS GRAVE DEFECTS." And, "THAT THESE DEFECTS ARE SO MANY AND SO SERIOUS AS TO CALL FOR REVISION . . ." This is straight from the horse's mouth, i.e. the orthodox Christian scholars of "the highest eminence." The publishers (Collins) themselves, in their notes on the Bible at the end of their production, say on page 10: "THIS BIBLE (RSV), IS THE PRODUCT OF THIRTY-TWO SCHOLARS, ASSISTED BY AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE REPRESENTING FIFTY CO-OPERATING DENOMINATIONS." Why all this boasting? To make the gullible public buy their product?
GTech and Dead corn you guys told that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was a child Rapist and he married 9 years old girl. let me clarify your doubts so that you never bring up this topic. 1. Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. That time in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was: 1. People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 30 to 50 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar. 2. Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then as the Parents look at the girl's physical appearance when they prepare her for marriage. They don't care about her age. She could be 9 or 13, it doesn't matter. 2. Muhammad(PBUH) did not live in our culture or under our law. He lived under a Semitic culture. And this custom of marrying girls after their first menses existed among people of all religions in the Mideast long before Muhammad.That was the reason noone accused Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) that time about his marriage. 3.Before her marriage to our prophet, Aisha was already engaged to a non Muslim man named Jober Ibn Al-Moteam Ibn Oday. Back then, the people of Mecca did not object to Aisha's engagement to Jober because she was physically big enough and tall enough to be considered for marriage. Her parents saw that and they engaged her to Jober. The only reason why Aisha's father, Abu Baker Al Siddeek, broke her engagement with Jober is because he was a non-Muslim. Later, a woman named Kholeah Bint Hakeem suggested for Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to marry Aisha, because the Prophet and Abu Baker became best friends. Prophet Muhammad engaged Aisha for 2 years before he married her. I personally think that it makes more logical sense to say that she was 9 when she got engaged to Prophet Muhammad and 11 when she got married, because if she were 7 when she got engaged to the Prophet, then how old was she when she first got engaged to Jober? I don't think she was big enough and mature enough to get engaged with Jober before the age of 7. I don't think her parents would have allowed it. 4.Middle eastern and other cultures>If you take the time to study a little bit about the history of the tribes in South America, Middle East, Africa, India and the far eastern Oriental countries 1400 years ago, you would find that many tribes even until today (as shown in the Thai girl's and the 12-year old Romanian girl links below) allow the marriage of females at a very young age. Do you think it is fair for you to come today and attack our beloved Prophet and call him a child molester when nobody 1400 years ago from his tribe had objected to his marriage? Not even the Pagans of Mecca, nor the Jews and Christians of Medina ever objected to it or used it as a point against Islam as anti-Islamic do today. We all need to understand the culture that we are talking about. Life in the Middle East is a very simple one. It is a lot simpler than what our brain can imagine, because the simplest to us here in America may be a very difficult or complicated thing to them in the Middle East especially for those folks who live in tribes in the rural areas where they don't have TV, electricity, or any electrical equipment. They live on natural water and survive on what they have available from fruits, vegetables and animals as food. 5.What about Aisha's parents (mom and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"? Since Aisha's parents both approved of her engagement with Jober and later approved to her marriage to Muhammad, is it fair for anyone to call her mom and dad and former fiancée and whole tribe all child molesters? I think whoever does that would be out of his mind and needs to study a little history about the Middle East.Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage. 6.we have to look at the life of Lady Aisha afterwards. She was without doubt one of the foremost scholars of Islam. It is even said that she had attained in her lifetime the position of Mufti - someone capable of giving religious rulings - a position very few Muslims will ever occupy.She was seeked by many, both men and women, who hungered for knowledge and they came to her from all directions, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria. History does not know of any woman who was approached by so many for such a noble purpose. If indeed she had became a victim of sexual abuse she would in most probability be devastated emotionally, psychologically, mentally and perhaps even physically but the achievements she had made in her life after the death of the Prophet proved that she was a woman who was in complete control of her faculties, becoming one of the intellectual giants of Islam. And the fact that she had spoken so dearly of the Prophet was indicative of the innocence of the marriage and of the impeccable character of her husband because given the trust enjoyed by her by the virtue of her relationship with him, she could have unleashed a vengeful attack against him by attributing to him words or deeds of horrendous nature if indeed she was a victim of his supposed lust, destroying both the Prophet and Islam.No sexual abuse victim would ever spoke positively of her attacker, much less becoming a channel that promote love and understanding of him and the message which he had brought." 7.JEWISH CULTURE AND MARRIAGE>> The Baker Ency. of the Bible says about Jewish marriage customs in volume 2, page 1407, under "Marriage": "Subsequently, minimum ages (for marriage) of 13 for boys and 12 for girls were set." And Jim West, ThD, writes online, [at http://www.theology.edu/marriage.htm], in "Ancient Israelite Marriage Customs: "The wife was to be taken from within the larger family circle (usually at the "outset of puberty" or around the age of 13) in order to maintain the purity of the family line". Even in the Mishnah, the age of maturity for a female is 12.5 years: "she won her case in court before she matured [at the age of twelve years and six months], lo, they belong to the father." Mishnah Ketubot, 4:1. So we see that Jewish culture also allowed young girls to be married at an early age. Islam teaches that female puberty begins when the menses is started. From Bukhari, volume 3, Book of Witnesses, chapter 18, page 513: 8.The life span 1400 years ago was short:Life 1400 years ago was very rough in the too hot desert. From my personal knowledge, the average life span back then was 50 years. People used to die from all kinds of diseases. Both parents of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him for instance, died natural deaths before he even knew them. His father, Abdallah bin Hashem, died while Amina bint Wahb (Amy in English as Mary for Mariam), Muhammad's mother was still pregnant with Muhammad. After she gave birth, she died when he was 2 years old (I believe). Muhammad was the only child of his parents. Muhammad was raised by his mother's female servant, Saadiyyah, and by his uncle (father's brother) Abu Talib, who later stood up for him and protected him when Muhammad declared to be Allah Almighty's Messenger at the age of 9. What about Mary, Jesus' Mother peace be upon both of them? How old was she when she got pregnant? Not only was it a custom in the Arab society to Engage/Marry a young girl it was also common in the Jewish society. The case of Mary the mother of Jesus comes to mind, in non biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus. Mary had already been "BETROTHED" to Joseph before conceiving Jesus. Joseph was a much older man. therefore Mary was younger than 11-14 years of age when she was "BETHROED" to Joseph. We Muslims would never call Joseph a Child Molester, nor would we refer to the "Holy Ghost" of the Bible, that "Impregnated" Mary as a "Rapist" or "Adulterer". This paragraph was sent by brother Mike, who embraced Islam recently; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: According to the Priest of Saint Mary's Catholic Church: "Mary was approximately 14 years old when she got pregnant with Jesus. Joseph, Mary's Husband is believed to be around 36. Mary was only 13 when she married Joseph. When she first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old." According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated. So if I want to be as silly and ridiculous as many of the Christians, I would respond to them by saying that Mary was psychologically and emotionally devastated for getting pregnant at a very young age. And speaking of "child molesting", since most Christians believe that Jesus is the Creator of this universe, then why did GOD allow himself to enter life through a 12-year old young girl's vagina? Please note that we Muslims love and respect Allah Almighty, Mary, Jesus and Allah's Message to the People of the Book (The Jews and Christians). In other words, we Muslims would never make fun of Christianity through such childish topic like this one as many ridiculous Christians do make fun of Islam through our Prophet's (peace be upon him) marriage. All you guys are very educated here who post. I guess these 9 points will be enough to prove that our beloved prophet Muhammad's(PBUH) marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!.Hope you will never say such stupid comments about our prophet Muhammad(PBUH) Visit these links:-1.A picture and news paper article about a 9-year old girl from Thailand gave birth.Look at her appearence.Does she look 9 years old. http://www.answering-islam.com/thai_girl.htm 2.A 12-year old Christian girl getting married in Romania>>http://www.answering-islam.com/gypsy_girl.htm
wow. they're on a rampage now. So let's assume that there was no problem with marrying a 9 year old. I wasn't aware that marrying a 9 year old is proof of being a true prophet. I have yet to see proof that the gospel of Islam is the true gospel.
Moq and Muslim you went great lengts to proof secondary things, BUT NO ONE ever commented on this: Here is some proof Jesus is a Holly-Divine person. A very small portion of the deeds of a Divine magnitute, that very few were or are able to match. Could you please share with us if Muhammad did anything close to this? Excuse the big size please. I did so since some said, they never saw my question. ...Matthew 8 The Man With Leprosy 1When he came down from the mountainside, large crowds followed him. 2A man with leprosy[a] came and knelt before him and said, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean." 3Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately he was cured of his leprosy. 4Then Jesus said to him, "See that you don't tell anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." The Faith of the Centurion 5When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6"Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering." 7Jesus said to him, "I will go and heal him." 8The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it." 10When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour. Jesus Heals Many 14When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever. 15He touched her hand and the fever left her, and she got up and began to wait on him. 16When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. 17This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases."[c] The Cost of Following Jesus 18When Jesus saw the crowd around him, he gave orders to cross to the other side of the lake. 19Then a teacher of the law came to him and said, "Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go." 20Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head." 21Another disciple said to him, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father." 22But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead." Jesus Calms the Storm 23Then he got into the boat and his disciples followed him. 24Without warning, a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. 25The disciples went and woke him, saying, "Lord, save us! We're going to drown!" 26He replied, "You of little faith, why are you so afraid?" Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm. 27The men were amazed and asked, "What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!" A Tree and Its Fruit 15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' The Wise and Foolish Builders 24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash." 28When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.sunlove Give me please any Divine Ideas that can match or are better than these. Love each other. Love your neighbor like yourself. Love your enemies.
muslim, I don't argue that she was married at 9. That would be factually incorrect. She was married at age six. Consumated at age 9. This "man" was in his 50s at the time.